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  • Now that we've heard from the usual suspects trying desperately to salvage the Lies of the Capitol, let's hear from Sicknick's own mother...

    The mother of the US Capitol police officer who died following the riot on January 6 believes that her son succumbed to a fatal stroke - that he was not bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher as reported.

    Yet more than one month after Officer Brian Sicknick's death on January 7, she has admitted that they are still in the dark as to what exactly caused that catastrophic episode.

    Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Gladys Sicknick, 74, was unequivocal in her assertion that Officer Brian Sicknick was not struck on the head and that as far as the family knows her son had a fatal stroke.

    She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

    ‘We’d love to know what happened.'

    Because, while politicians have grandstanded and rushed to judgment no one has yet given the family the answers they need.

    No one could dispute the tragedy of the death of the 42-year-old officer who spent his final hours protecting the US Capitol.

    But in the six weeks since his death the truth has taken a backseat to the myth of the brutal attack. Democratic Impeachment Managers even brazenly cited the incident - that he was stricken in the head by a fire extinguisher - as fact in pre-trial articles filed February 2 despite already growing doubts.

    Now DailyMail.com has unpacked fact from fiction in an attempt to extract Sicknick’s death from the misinformation in which it was mired before it even happened.

    The first reports that an officer had been killed were premature and emerged on January 6. US Capitol Police were swift to issue a denial.

    It is now known that Officer Sicknick was on life support at the time and his death was confirmed barely 24 hours later at 9.30pm on January 7.

    The official statement was measured and vague as to the cause. According to the police, ‘Officer Brian D Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.’

    It continued, ‘Officer Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, at the US Capitol and was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.’

    Yet despite this statement issued on January 7 the following day on January 8 The New York Times were reporting that, ‘…pro-Trump supporters…overpowered Mr Sicknick, 42, and struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher according to two law enforcement officials. With a bloody gash in his head, Mr Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support.’

    DailyMail.com has confirmed with Douglas Buchanan, Chief of Communications for DC’s Department of Fire and Emergency Medical Services that Sicknick was not ‘rushed to hospital’ from the Capitol. But did indeed return to his division department as stated.

    In fact, the very day that The New York Times account ran, Sicknick’s own brother, Ken, spoke with ProPublica and said that his brother had been in good spirits and had texted him after returning to the department.

    He said, ‘He texted me last night and said, “I got pepper-sprayed twice,” and he was in good shape.’



    And, this, in particular....

    Less than 24 hours after his death, with no autopsy, no confirmation of any sign of blunt trauma, no investigation nor due process, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for the ‘perpetrators’ of Sicknick’s ‘attack’ to be brought to justice and vowed, ‘We will not forget.’

    Despite the family’s earnest desire to the contrary, Sicknick’s death was politicized and seized on as an exemplar of all of the savagery of the pro-Trump mob’s assault on the temple of American democracy.


    But, please OMB crowd, do rage on!
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      There are conflicting stories on that -- none of which are currently say it was "just hours" after.
      The most definitive report I've seen was the Capitol Police press release from January 7, which said that "He returned to his division office and collapsed."

      I have not seen anything contradicting that, except the reports by some that he was taken to the hospital straight from the Capitol, which are much less definitive, and probably wrong.

      What injuries? He texted his brother that he had been bear-sprayed, but was otherwise OK --- do you think, if he had suffered any other injury, he would have not said so?
      Is there ANYBODY in any official capacity still claiming that he sustained any injury at all, once the "bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher" story was shown to be an outright lie?

      He was elevated to the high honor - reserved for a very select few - of lying in state in the Capitol Rotunda because... he inhaled bear spray? Sustained unreported injuries? Did the job he was paid and trained to do?

      It was a sham, pure and simple.
      I don't claim that the decision to have him lie in honor was a good one. I just note that the decision belongs to Congress, just as the decision to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the likes of Rush Limbaugh belongs to the president. (Incidentally, this makes him one of five, including Billy Graham, Rosa Parks, and two other Capitol Police officers.)

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      • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
        The most definitive report I've seen was the Capitol Police press release from January 7, which said that "He returned to his division office and collapsed."
        The thread is full of newer more up-to-date statements that put that in question. I'm not gonna hunt them down for you again.

        I have not seen anything contradicting that, except the reports by some that he was taken to the hospital straight from the Capitol, which are much less definitive, and probably wrong.
        Did you read my post on what his Momma said?

        I don't claim that the decision to have him lie in honor was a good one.
        But you can't bring yourself to admit it was a bad one, eh?

        I just note that the decision belongs to Congress, just as the decision to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the likes of Rush Limbaugh belongs to the president.
        You realize that's nothing at all like lying in state in the Capitol Rotunda, yes?

        (Incidentally, this makes him one of five, including Billy Graham, Rosa Parks, and two other Capitol Police officers.)
        Excellent choices!!! What cheapens that is the lying liberals rushing to judgment to elevate an officer who died of a stroke due to a blood clot to that same level.

        It's just not right.



        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          The most definitive report I've seen ....
          Of all the people on the planet, don't you think his own Momma has a right to know what really happened?

          Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Gladys Sicknick, 74, was unequivocal in her assertion that Officer Brian Sicknick was not struck on the head and that as far as the family knows her son had a fatal stroke.

          She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

          ‘We’d love to know what happened.'


          Why do you think it is that even his own Momma can't get answers?

          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • For those who actually care more about what happened than repeating rumors, inventing excuses, and perpetuating the lies, here's an interesting read from Jonathan Turley...

            WARNING - PROFANITY...

            The other scandal of the Capitol riot

            ......

            More than two months later, few facts are confirmed, but they raise troubling questions. Congress was warned repeatedly of possible violence on Jan. 6 by the Trump administration and law enforcement agencies. National Guard troops were offered to the Capitol days beforehand but declined. While large numbers of protesters were expected, Capitol Police deployed a ridiculously small force, with roughly 1,800 officers facing more than 8,000 rioters. District of Columbia Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) reportedly limited a Guard presence before the protests to help with traffic and crowd control.

            We also have contradictions on the record. Resigned Capitol Police chief Steven Sund said he requested Guard troops six times but was denied the support. He said House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving felt such troops would pose bad “optics.” In demanding Sund’s resignation on Jan. 6, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said he “hasn’t called us since this happened” — but Sund insists he personally briefed her twice on Jan. 6. And there are accounts of a critical delay in a request for additional support during the riot as police waited for approval from congressional officials.

            Sund and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger were forced to resign with other officials. They may be the Capitol riot’s versions of Adm. Husband Kimmel and Lt. Gen. Walter Short, the commanders tagged with the Pearl Harbor disaster despite rumors that powerful figures in Washington shared the responsibility. (In 1999, the Senate voted to clear their names in the 1941 calamity.)

            Pelosi has added to concerns over transparency and accountability with her selection of retired Gen. Russel Honoré to lead an investigation of Capitol security. She acted without consulting others — and few Republicans would have supported her choice since Honoré is a longtime critic of Trump and various Republicans. He appeared immediately to reach conclusions on responsibility for the attack that paralleled Pelosi’s views.

            In an interview two days after the attack, without any facts to support his conclusions, Honoré declared on MSNBC that “I think once this all gets uncovered, it was complicit actions by Capitol Police” and that “people need to go to jail.” He condemned Sund as “complicit along with the sergeant-at-arms in the House and the Senate.” Responding to calls to expel Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and others for allegedly supporting the riot, Honoré tweeted: “This little peace of **** with his @Yale law degree should be run out of DC and Disbarred ASAP @HawleyMO @tedcruz aaa hats. These @Yale and @Harvard law grads is high order white privilege.”

            This from the man who Pelosi appointed to give an unbiased, nonpartisan review. Of course, for many Americans, any inquiry may seem unnecessary. The second Trump impeachment drilled home a narrative that the riot was primarily the fault of one man, Trump, and by implication not the fault of others. Pelosi told MSNBC’s Joy Reid that Trump should be charged as “an accessory” to murder “because he instigated that insurrection that caused those deaths and this destruction.”

            If framing scandals in Washington is an art form, then Pelosi is our resident Rembrandt. Of course, history has shown that truth and responsibility are rarely unequivocal or exclusive. None of this would relieve Trump of his own responsibility on Jan. 6. I previously condemned Trump’s speech and his reckless role in this riot. However, there is ample evidence to suggest that the vulnerabilities exposed on Jan. 6 may have been due to Congress itself. So Schumer may be right that Jan. 6 is a date that will live infamy — but few in Washington seem too eager to confirm the full list of the infamous.
            .....
            Last edited by Cow Poke; 02-23-2021, 04:50 PM.
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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              The Insurrection Lie II: False Reports From January 6th Continue To Unravel.

              On January 13, 2021, The National Pulse called the almost ubiquitous, false reporting about the events at the Capitol on January 6 “The Insurrection Lie.” This was contrary to some other conservative media outlets, such as National Review, which published a piece on January 17 calling the events at the Capitol “impeachable.”


              Our view, groundbreaking at the time, has been vindicated in the ensuing month. Tucker Carlson last week called the media’s reporting on the events a “lie.” Following is an update to our coverage based on recent disclosures.

              Ritualizing The Lie.

              On January 13, we reported:

              A Capitol Police officer died of a stroke the day after the riot; but it is not known what may have happened during the melee that would provide a causal connection. His brother stated that he had communicated with the officer after the event: “He texted me last night and said, ‘I got pepper-sprayed twice,’ and he was in good shape.” Sometime after the riot, he returned to his division office and collapsed. It has been reported that the Capitol Police initially issued a statement denying that a police officer had died as a result of injuries sustained in the attack. Based on available facts (which may change) it is speculative to say at this time that he was murdered or slain. His family has made a plea that the death not be politicized.

              Update: The National Pulse has since reported that early reports Officer Sicknick was hit with a fire extinguisher were false, and the New York Times has backed away from the claim. Revolver has done a deep dive into these events, raising further questions about the cause of death.

              Based on available facts, it is reasonable to conclude that Sicknick’s death was not caused by the protest. Nevertheless, against the family’s wishes, the death has been used politically. Sicknick became only the fifth person to receive the distinction of lying in honor at the Capitol Rotunda. Alarmingly, this was done to ritualize the unsupported claim that he was slain by rioters. Democrat House impeachment managers alleged an “armed insurrection” based on the false assertion that Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher. The United States Capitol is surrounded by razor wire and secured by military units on the premise that its previous security was breached by armed insurrectionists who murdered a police officer.

              It is a lie.
              Creating the Lie.

              On January 13, we reported:

              The First Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees the “right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” On January 6, 2021, hundreds of thousands of citizens traveled to the nation’s capital to exercise their Constitutional right to peacefully protest. This was their grievance: Seventy-five million had cast their ballots for Trump on election day. Then, in the wee hours, when Las Vegas oddsmakers were calling a Trump victory, counting inexplicably stopped, and a disproportionate number of Biden votes appeared. The Biden votes were primarily from Democrat-controlled cities: Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Milwaukee. They were culled from mail-in ballots, an accommodation hurriedly retrofitted into the voting system because of a pandemic. The election’s statistical anomalies were mind boggling, including Republican dominance down ballot, Trump’s significant support among minority voters, and his victory in all traditional bellwethers. In June, Attorney General Bill Barr sat for an interview in CNN’s Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and warned of fraud with mail-in voting. He said: “People trying to change the rules to this, to this methodology – which, as a matter of logic, is very open to fraud and coercion – is reckless and dangerous and people are playing with fire.” Some of the new voting procedures were ordered by state governors and health officials even though Article II of the Constitution delegates rule-making for elections exclusively to state legislatures. The Washington protesters had reason to ask: Did someone pull a fast one?

              Update: Since our report, Time Magazine has helpfully answered our ultimate question, “Did someone pull a fast one?” – with a resounding (1) yes they did, and (2) they are proud of it. As we had surmised, the stratagem centered on mail-in ballots. In Time’s words:

              Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears….This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”

              The peaceful protestors on January 6 were people who believe Democracy should be self-executing, without a well-funded consortium of the credentialed elite conspiring to assure an outcome. The Constitution permits citizens who hold even controversial political views to assemble and speak their mind. Many who peacefully assembled in Washington D.C., though, are being harassed as insurrectionists. They are being purposely conflated with those who breached the Capitol and there is a witch hunt to identify any who question the election. In a fiery speech, Republican Senator Mitch McConnell lumped the protesters together as a “mob.” This is outrageous behavior on the part of the powerful against ordinary citizens who simply asserted their Constitutional rights.
              Doubling Down on The Lie.

              On January 13 we reported:

              President Trump addressed the protesters and called on the assembled to march “over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” At the moment the President was uttering the words “peacefully,” though, a different more sinister group had already gathered at the Capitol, a full 45 minute walk away. Whatever happened there is not yet fully understood. Given the proclivity of federal law enforcement to act politically against Trump, it unfortunately may never be. Some things, though, are certain. We know, for instance, that many of the troublemakers were not Trump supporters. We know, too, that Capitol Police waved at least some Trump supporters into the building. We know that a Trump supporter was shot in the Capitol…. President Trump has saluted the protesters and denounced those who entered the Capitol to engage in violence. The distinction he made is no different than claims made by democratic mayors in Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and Dallas over the summer who supported BLM protests in their cities, but condemned troublemakers. Similarly, Senator Kamala Harris spoke about those riots on the The Late Show With Stephen Colbert in June:

              “But they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop. They’re not. This is a movement. I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop, and everyone, beware. Because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before election day in November, and they are not going to stop after election day. And everyone should take note of that on both levels. That they’re not going to let up. And they should not, and we should not.”

              Those who reported that her statement supported riots have been fact checked by Reuters, USA Today, the AP, and others, on the premise that common cause with protests should not be cast as support for any rioting that ensues. If that is the media standard made venerable by the ritual of fact-checking, shouldn’t President Trump be judged accordingly?

              Update: Since that was published, we have learned that President Trump will not be judged by the Kamala Harris standard.

              Even though he called for the protestors to behave “peacefully and patriotically” at the Capitol, he has been tried in the United States Senate for inciting an insurrection. Who exactly did he incite? He cannot be responsible for those inside the Capitol who were not his supporters. Indeed, he was addressing his supporters at a venue 45-minutes away when the breach occurred. Nor can he be blamed for those who were waved into the building. The Senators who heard the impeachment case bear greater responsibility for failed security on the premises. Nor can he be responsible for any of his supporters who went too far and did something inappropriate. That is the lesson from this summer’s riots when any troublemakers were carefully separated from the larger cause.
              ......

              On the face of it, the article linked seems to be mischaracterizing what what was written in Time. "Time Magazine says the pulled a fast one" seems pretty disingenuous, given the quote from the Time article the provided. And since such quotes are generally chosen BECAUSE they appear to support the overall point, I can only imagine that reading the rest of the Time article would prove more antithetical to The National Pulse's point. They're treading pretty close to outright dishonesty here, and this makes me think The National Pulse is exactly the king of trashy news outlet I've railed against in other threads. Time is talking about (from their perspective) a well funded group of people trying to keep the election from being stolen. The least the National Pulse could do it accurately represent Time's view instead of using clickbaity headlines/subtitles that are borderline factually false.
              "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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              • And the finger-pointing begins...

                Ex-officials trade blame for botched response to Capitol attack

                .....

                The officials testifying Tuesday described a highly coordinated, sophisticated effort by hundreds of rioters to overwhelm police and force their way into the Capitol, unleashing a level of violence they had not prepared for. They also described a bureaucratic sea of red tape that delayed the approval of National Guard troops to reinforce the beleaguered officers, while differing in their recollections of key events in the timeline.

                "I was surprised at the reluctance to immediately send in the National Guard to the Capitol riots," Contee testified in his opening remarks. He said his agency requested officers from as far away as New Jersey as Army staff expressed concerns over the optics of "boots on the ground" at the Capitol.

                Sund, the former head of the Capitol Police, laid the blame for the failed response squarely on the intelligence community, claiming his force was prepared to handle the type of demonstration that officials expected based on the intelligence they received.

                "The United States Capitol Police, just like most law enforcement agencies, is a consumer of the information provided by the intelligence community," Sund said in his prepared testimony. "The associated demonstrations expected that day were based upon all of the available information and intelligence that we had prior to the event, as well as the experience we had handling other similar events."

                Irving, the former House sergeant-at-arms, noted daily intelligence reports between January 4 and January 6 "forecast the chance of civil disobedience or arrest during the protests as remote to improbable." While 1,200 Capitol Police officers were on site on January 6, Irving also pointed to a lack of reinforcements, with just 125 National Guard members on standby near the Capitol.

                Both Irving and Stenger, the ex-Senate sergeant-at-arms, testified they had not seen a report from an FBI field office in Norfolk, Virginia, notifying law enforcement of an anonymous social media thread threatening looming war at the Capitol. Sund added that the FBI report had reached the Capitol Police on the eve of the attack, but he had not personally seen the raw data.

                "The intelligence did not make it where it needed to be," Contee agreed, noting the FBI's report on January 5 was sent via email and should have warranted "a phone call or something."

                Sund and Irving differed in their accounts of when Sund first requested National Guard reinforcements to support the police as the riot unfolded. Sund said he made the request to Irving shortly after 1 p.m. on January 6, as rioters began to clash with police along the Capitol perimeter. Irving said he has no record of the request until after 2 p.m.

                Mr. Irving also pushed back on Sund and Contee's testimony that National Guard support was delayed due to "optics."

                "Certain media reports have stated that 'optics' determined my judgment about using those National Guard troops," said Irving. "That is categorically false. 'Optics' as portrayed in the media did not determine our security posture. Safety was always paramount when evaluating security for January 6."

                ......
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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  The thread is full of newer more up-to-date statements that put that in question. I'm not gonna hunt them down for you again.
                  I've been reading this thread. I think you are wrong. Sicknick didn't die until the next day, but that doesn't mean he didn't go into the hospital until the next day.

                  Did you read my post on what his Momma said?
                  Yes. His Momma certainly didn't contradict the claim that he collapsed the same night. His brother thought he was still at the Capitol when he collapsed.

                  But you can't bring yourself to admit it was a bad one, eh?
                  If enough voters don't like the decision, then I suppose it will turn out to be a bad one.

                  You realize that's nothing at all like lying in state in the Capitol Rotunda, yes?
                  You realize that lying in state is not the same as lying in honor, right?

                  Excellent choices!!! What cheapens that is the lying liberals rushing to judgment to elevate an officer who died of a stroke due to a blood clot to that same level.

                  It's just not right.
                  You are certainly entitled to that opinion. But take a closer look at the two Capitol Police officers who previously were allowed to lie in honor.

                  Officer Jacob Chestnut distinguished himself by being caught unaware when he was shot in the back of the head at point-blank range while manning the metal detector.

                  Officer John Gibson distinguished himself by not hiding under his desk, and by returning fire and killing Weston after he was mortally wounded.

                  Not to denigrate the officers, but you may have an elevated opinion of what it takes to receive this honor.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    Of all the people on the planet, don't you think his own Momma has a right to know what really happened?

                    Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Gladys Sicknick, 74, was unequivocal in her assertion that Officer Brian Sicknick was not struck on the head and that as far as the family knows her son had a fatal stroke.

                    She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

                    ‘We’d love to know what happened.'


                    Why do you think it is that even his own Momma can't get answers?
                    I hope we find out.

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                    • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                      I hope we find out.
                      And I bet we don't.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                        I've been reading this thread. I think you are wrong. Sicknick didn't die until the next day, but that doesn't mean he didn't go into the hospital until the next day.
                        Was he rushed to the hospital from the Capitol, or rushed to the hospital from the station, or not rushed at all, but simply transported? All three versions cannot be true.

                        Yes. His Momma certainly didn't contradict the claim that he collapsed the same night. His brother thought he was still at the Capitol when he collapsed.
                        Imagine that -- confusion, just like I said.

                        If enough voters don't like the decision, then I suppose it will turn out to be a bad one.
                        These decisions are not left up to the voters, and they are not being informed of what actually happened. The lie is being perpetuated by the media.

                        You realize that lying in state is not the same as lying in honor, right?
                        A technicality, but sure.

                        You are certainly entitled to that opinion. But take a closer look at the two Capitol Police officers who previously were allowed to lie in honor.
                        Remember you said that, cause it's about to come back to bite you.

                        Officer Jacob Chestnut distinguished himself by being caught unaware when he was shot in the back of the head at point-blank range while manning the metal detector.

                        Officer John Gibson distinguished himself by not hiding under his desk, and by returning fire and killing Weston after he was mortally wounded.
                        How bout that -- actual deaths in the line of duty.

                        Not to denigrate the officers, but you may have an elevated opinion of what it takes to receive this honor.
                        How many officers did you say received this honor?

                        Now, if you had indicated that either of them died the next day having received no physical injuries in the line of duty....


                        But at least you're trying.

                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • Interesting....

                          What the left wants to ignore about slain Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick

                          House Speaker Nancy Pelosi described Sicknick’s death as a reminder of the need to “protect our country from all threats, foreign and domestic.” President-elect Joe Biden suggested that whoever backed Trump supports “an all-out assault on our institutions of our democracy.” The day’s violence, it seems, has become an all-purpose excuse to denounce and ­silence anyone not sufficiently anti-Trump.

                          Yet neither Biden nor Pelosi reckoned with an uncomfortable fact: Sicknick was a Trump supporter himself, as his friend Caroline Behringer announced shortly after his death. Far from sharing the views of the #Resistance, he had written letters to his congressman opposing Trump’s impeachment.


                          and...

                          In 2004, he poured scorn on Team Bush’s proposal to ­revive space exploration. Why go to space, he wondered, when “the health-care system is in shambles, and many Americans have simply given up looking for jobs”?

                          His rage deepened after the ­release of the 9/11 Commission Report: “Proven ­intelligence failures regarding the war in Iraq and Sept. 11 are troublesome. Why is it that I doubt any jobs will be lost over this? Why is it that I doubt an impeachment would happen? Why do I think the issue will soon be forgotten?”

                          After serving his country and observing the workings of its government, Sicknick had come to believe that America is governed by a self-interested, unresponsive and unaccountable oligarchy. There is ample evidence to support his beliefs. Biden and Sen. Chuck Schumer, both of whom voted to authorize the invasion, have suffered no consequences for their folly. Nor have the countless other supporters of the invasion who populate Congress, K Street and the think tanks.

                          The same people who launched a costly and failed war in Iraq now hope to humiliate and silence Trump’s supporters. But the concerns that led to the rise of Trump won’t disappear until our failed elites pay for their mistakes.

                          When they smear Trump voters, they dishonor Officer Sicknick’s memory.

                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Was he rushed to the hospital from the Capitol, or rushed to the hospital from the station, or not rushed at all, but simply transported? All three versions cannot be true.

                            Imagine that -- confusion, just like I said.
                            Yes, confusion. But NO ONE is claiming that he didn't go to the hospital until the next day.

                            These decisions are not left up to the voters, and they are not being informed of what actually happened. The lie is being perpetuated by the media.

                            A technicality, but sure.

                            Remember you said that, cause it's about to come back to bite you.

                            How bout that -- actual deaths in the line of duty.
                            Sicknick's death was in the line of duty, as I pointed out to you earlier in this thread.

                            How many officers did you say received this honor?

                            Now, if you had indicated that either of them died the next day having received no physical injuries in the line of duty....

                            But at least you're trying.
                            At least we agree that the honor does not require uncommon valor. And that the decision is up to Congress.

                            In fact, it seems that all that's required is that a Capitol Police officer assigned to defend the Capitol (or anyone inside) dies in the line of duty.

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                            • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                              Yes, confusion. But NO ONE is claiming that he didn't go to the hospital until the next day.

                              Sicknick's death was in the line of duty, as I pointed out to you earlier in this thread.
                              The version that says he returned to the station after telling his brother he was bear-sprayed but was OK would indicate that he die NOT die in the line of duty - but subsequently from a stroke due to a blood clot.

                              At least we agree that the honor does not require uncommon valor. And that the decision is up to Congress.
                              No, the fact that you try to minimize the actions of the other officers in an attempt to elevate this one is NOT agreed upon.

                              His family had requested his death not be politicized -- Pelosi and Schumer (not the Congress) chose to do just the opposite.

                              In fact, it seems that all that's required is that a Capitol Police officer assigned to defend the Capitol (or anyone inside) dies in the line of duty.
                              Even his own mother maintains he died of a stroke - not from injuries sustained "in the line of duty".

                              My next post will be the statement his own family issued on his behalf.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • Family Statement Regarding the Death of Officer Brian Sicknick

                                Family Statement Regarding the Death of Officer Brian Sicknick

                                On behalf of his family and his brother's close circle of friends, Ken Sicknick released the following statement about Brian Sicknick, the United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer who died Thursday evening from injuries sustained in Wednesday's riots at the Capitol.

                                "My brother Brian was the youngest of three sons born to my parents in South River, NJ. Brian, age 42, wanted to be a police officer his entire life. He joined the New Jersey Air National Guard as a means to that end. In doing so, he served his country honorably in both Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Desert Shield, of which my family is very proud. While stateside during those years, Brian served as an SP for the 108th Air Refueling Wing out of Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurt in New Jersey. Brian transitioned to the USCP in 2008, serving there in support of our country for the past 12 years.

                                Many details regarding Wednesday's events and the direct causes of Brian's injuries remain unknown and our family asks the public and the press to respect our wishes in not making Brian's passing a political issue. Please honor Brian's life and service and respect our privacy while we move forward in doing the same. Brian is a hero and that is what we would like people to remember. Thank you.”

                                The family also would like to express their gratitude to Brian’s law enforcement family for their kindness, compassion, and support during this difficult time.


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