Biden's Foreign Policy - America First!!!

[Cow Poke]

It's kinda funny -- he's really confused - he's stumbling through a major foreign policy speech where he just got done proclaiming that we'll work with China where it fits our interests - from a position of strength.

He has no idea that he's dabbling in "Make America Great Again", but doing it baskwards.

Earlier, he explained to career diplomats that their job was to represent the interests of America to other nations -- America First!

It's actually pretty painful watching him reading this stuff, and trying to look cogent and alert.

He keeps stumbling over LBGQTI...

WOW ... "we want a rigorous debate - that invites dissent...." The Ministry of Truth should factcheck that.

As a former profound stutterer myself, I'm telling you, this isn't that.

[rogue06]

It's kinda funny -- he's really confused - he's stumbling through a major foreign policy speech where he just got done proclaiming that we'll work with China where it fits our interests - from a position of strength.

He has no idea that he's dabbling in "Make America Great Again", but doing it baskwards.

Earlier, he explained to career diplomats that their job was to represent the interests of America to other nations -- America First!

It's actually pretty painful watching him reading this stuff, and trying to look cogent and alert.

He keeps stumbling over LBGQTI...

WOW ... "we want a rigorous debate - that invites dissent...." The Ministry of Truth should factcheck that.

As a former profound stutterer myself, I'm telling you, this isn't that.

Gotta link?

[Cow Poke]

Gotta link?

I'll look for it - I was watching it live.

[Starlight]

Biden does seem to have gone out of his way in speeches to try to unite the country by pointing out that he is implementing many of the ideas behind 'America First' type thinking, but he's doing it in ways that work and aren't stupid. Clearly he's trying to reach out to the Trump base by offering them things they want, while not offending the liberals by implementing them terribly like Trump.

Biden's buy-American executive order for the federal government is an example of him going much further than Trump's version of that order, and that's a way of doing America First that isn't offensive or poorly implemented.

Watching some of Biden's speeches, and Q&A's with the media, I've actually been impressed by his coherence and sharpness. After some of his rambling speeches and mistakes due the primaries I was worried he might have serious cognitive deterioration, but his impressive performances in the speeches I've watched of his since taking office reassure me that he's still sharp and has a really good understanding of the issues. So far I've been really impressed by Biden, which was not something I was expecting to happen.

[Cow Poke]

Meanwhile, his spokesperson explained that Joe never promised to unite the Congress, but that the intended to unite the American people. And she even said it with a straight face.
The Democrats are "going it alone" with massive decisions so close that they have to be "tie broken" by the VP.

On this current course, the House and the Senate will almost certainly revert back to Republican control.

[Starlight]

Meanwhile, his spokesperson explained that Joe never promised to unite the Congress, but that the intended to unite the American people. And she even said it with a straight face.

His choice of her for spokesperson was the one decision he's made that I think was really, really, wrong. She was a serial liar during the Obama administration. Bringing her back is a mistake.

The Democrats are "going it alone" with massive decisions so close that they have to be "tie broken" by the VP.

The Republicans are flatly refusing any reasonable compromises, so they have to.

On this current course, the House and the Senate will almost certainly revert back to Republican control.

LOL. That's absurd. Biden's only chance of keeping the Dem majority is to do as many big things as possible. The American people are suffering at the moment, and need help. He'll be massively popular if he gives them as much help as possible.

[Cow Poke]

His choice of her for spokesperson was the one decision he's made that I think was really, really, wrong. She was a serial liar during the Obama administration. Bringing her back is a mistake.

I must admit that surprises me.

The Republicans are flatly refusing any reasonable compromises, so they have to.

A) "any reasonable compromise" - anything the Dems consider reasonable
2) "compromise" - agree with the Democrats 100%

LOL. That's absurd. Biden's only chance of keeping the Dem majority is to do as many big things as possible. The American people are suffering at the moment, and need help. He'll be massively popular if he gives them as much help as possible.

You are about as wrong on this as you were your profound ignorance on "suicide by cop". How can such a smart guy be so incredibly ignorant?

[Starlight]

I must admit that surprises me.

Why? You've talked to me for years. You know I value truth above all else and hate liars. Why would an obvious strong opinion of mine surprise you?

A) "any reasonable compromise" - anything the Dems consider reasonable
2) "compromise" - agree with the Democrats 100%

The Republicans are not presenting reasonable compromise options. The vast majority of Republicans have simply outright rejected everything Biden's proposed and not offered any compromises whatsoever on any issue.

A very small number of Republicans did suggested a compromise proposal on a single one of the issues: A waaaaaay smaller stimulus package. That's only a single issue, and given Biden made promises to the American people during his campaign, and given the US unemployment rate is reaching record highs, he can't seriously accept the 'compromise' on that issue that involves both breaking promises and not helping Americans.

Frankly the Republicans are utterly failing to offer any reasonable compromises on any issue. They are the party of 'no', the party of obstruction. Biden is, unfortunately IMO, all about wanting to compromise with Republicans - he has a long history of it, he loves talking about it, and he seems to see it as his calling. But the Republican party of the modern day has so totally become the party of obstruction that they won't offer compromises. They seem to be going back to their Obama-era plan of deliberately trying to block the Dems from doing anything at all regardless of what compromises the Dems try to offer.

You are... wrong on this

No. Because I follow polling data. All of Biden's executive orders have had plurality support: Every single thing he's done has had more Americans supporting it than against it. The way to be re-elected in a democracy is to do things that the majority of the people like. Currently the country is suffering and is wanting help. Delivering it is how to be popular and how to be reelected.

[Cow Poke]

Why? You've talked to me for years. You know I value truth above all else and hate liars. Why would an obvious strong opinion of mine surprise you?

It's not the strength of the opinion - it's the incredibly rare rightness of it that stuns me.

The Republicans are not presenting reasonable compromise options. The vast majority of Republicans have simply outright rejected everything Biden's proposed.

Because we are a "representative republic", and they are representing their constituents -- they didn't go to DC to play footsies with the liberals.

A very small number of Republicans did suggested a compromise proposal on a single one of the issues: A waaaaaay smaller stimulus package. That's only a single issue, and given Biden made promises to the American people during his campaign, and given the US unemployment rate is reaching record highs, he can't seriously accept the 'compromise' on that issue that involves both breaking promises and not helping Americans.

Frankly the Republicans are utterly failing to offer any reasonable compromises on any issue. They are the party of 'no', the party of obstruction. Biden is, unfortunately IMO, all about wanting to compromise with Republicans - he has a long history of it, he loves talking about it, and he seems to see it as his calling. But the Republican party of the modern day has so totally become the party of obstruction that they won't offer compromises. They seem to be going back to their Obama-era plan of deliberately trying to block the Dems from doing anything at all regardless of what compromises the Dems try to offer.

No. Because I follow polling data. All of Biden's executive orders have had plurality support: Every single thing he's done has had more Americans supporting it than against it. The way to be re-elected in a democracy is to do things that the majority of the people like. Currently the country is suffering and is wanting help. Delivering it is how to be popular and how to be reelected.

If you were to poll Americans on how many want free houses and cars, paid for by the government, it would probably be overwhelmingly "yes".

Ask a bunch of children how many want ice cream instead of green beans for supper. Somebody has to be the adult. Obviously, not you.

[Starlight]

Because we are a "representative republic", and they are representing their constituents -- they didn't go to DC to play footsies with the liberals.

So that's your defense for why the Republicans aren't willing to compromise? So why are you blaming Biden for the Republican's choice to not compromise? Why don't they get to take personal responsibility for their actions?

If you were to poll Americans on how many want free houses and cars, paid for by the government, it would probably be overwhelmingly "yes".

You're simply wrong on this. In democratic countries around the world, you don't see majorities who are in favor of non-stop spending. Not in the US, and not in other democratic countries. People generally understand their own finances and tend to apply that same knowledge to government finances.

There are, of course, tax-and-spend advocates such as myself who want to see governments do more, but the 'tax' is as much a part of that as the 'spend', it's not giving endless stuff away for free. And I'm not personally a majority.

Ask a bunch of children how many want ice cream instead of green beans for supper. Somebody has to be the adult. Obviously, not you.

So in your mind, the irresponsible democratic majority are 'children' who need to be protected from themselves and their own political desires by the small minority of 'adults' who have the real knowledge of how things should be run? That seems disgustingly elitist of you, and unduly contemptuous of the masses.

[Cow Poke]

So in your mind, the irresponsible democratic majority are 'children' who need to be protected from themselves and their own political desires by the small minority of 'adults' who have the real knowledge of how things should be run? That seems disgustingly elitist of you, and unduly contemptuous of the masses.

Are you overdosing on stupidity pills? The Democrats aren't the "children" in the illustration, they're the stupid parents who gives the children what they want, instead of what they need.

Just like a parent who is more concerned about being "liked" than producing responsible adults - the Democrats are into dishing out FREESTUFF to keep their sorry butts in power.

[Starlight]

The Democrats aren't the "children" in the illustration, they're the stupid parents who gives the children what they want, instead of what they need.

When I said "democratic majority" I was meaning the majority of voters in the US's democracy (not the politicians from the Democratic Party), i.e. the "masses" as I later referred to them as, as we were talking about the views of the American people in general as expressed in polls. Can we agree this is who you are calling children?

[Cow Poke]

When I said "democratic majority" I was meaning the majority of voters in the US's democracy (not the politicians from the Democratic Party), i.e. the "masses" as I later referred to them as. Can we agree this is who you are calling children?

Sure --- people who want FREESTUFF without considering the consequences are acting incredibly childish. It is up to those who are elected to govern to be adults.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

― Alexander Fraser Tytler

[Starlight]

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

― Alexander Fraser Tytler

So you are anti-democratic? That's disturbing.

And you believe this proven-false-by-history statement? Why? Given the history of democracies since his time of writing have shown he was factually wrong, and his prediction idiotic?

[Cow Poke]

So you are anti-democratic? That's disturbing.

I am. We don't have a Democracy - we have a Representative Republic, which was designed to keep greedy people from stealing from the treasury by electing corrupt politicians who dole out freebies to stay in power. I really don't expect you to comprehend that.

And, given your track record, I'm not surprised by your profound ignorance of our system of government.