Barack Hussein Obama foreign policy disaster megathread

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Nick:
Uh, okay?

And don't you forget it, Colon Nick!

[nickcopernicus]

Nick:
Uh, okay?

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Nick:
So you agree that I was right?

I didn't READ your post, cause it looked like you were talking to YERSEFF!!!!



(CP is just bored - he does not hate Nick:, is not angry, didn't even bother to read Nick:'s post, doesn't really care if Nick: addresses his posts to himself, although that's just DUMB, and thinks Nick: came up with this bird-brained "Googol" nonsense in a vain attempt to cover his misuse of an internet search engine term because MATH has nothing whatsoever to do with JACKWAGON!" You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread derail. (And maybe I should call Nick: "Nick Colon" instead of JACKWAGON!))

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and stop beginning your posts with "Nick:"

That's just DUMB!!!!! It's like you're talking to yourself!

I bet you wear PINK on St. Patty's Day, you JACKWAGON!

[nickcopernicus]

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The term was coined in 1938 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta, nephew of Edward Kasner (Kasner 1989, pp. 20-27; Bialik 2004). Kasner then extended the term to the larger "googolplex." It should be noted that "googol" is indeed the correct spelling of the term, so the spelling "Google" refers to the internet search engine, not one with 100 zeros."

Your complete lack of addressing my impecible logic on McConnell has also been noted.

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Nick:
The correct spelling of a "googol" is as I have written it.

If you don't think I'm right about Senatortise McConnell then you're just being irrational.

Yeah, sure, that's it!

[nickcopernicus]

No

And it's "google", not "googol".

Nick:
The correct spelling of a "googol" is as I have written it.

If you don't think I'm right about Senatortise McConnell then you're just being irrational.

[lilpixieofterror]

Grrr... stupid internet ate my entire reply, but let me help you out here Nick. Go and check the voting records for all of these things you bring up and see where the voting record works out Nick.

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Nick:
I had to Googol this term as I had no idea what you were talking about. Apparently, it can mean anything from a male homosexual, to a formidable person, to, according to yahoo answers, the last wagon on a convoy that had to breathe a lot of dust and therefore was undesirable to be in. Hence a complainer.

You'll have to forgive me, I'm younger than you are, but apparently, you're more "hip" with the internets than I am.

So you agree that I was right?

No

And it's "google", not "googol".

[nickcopernicus]

You sound like a Jackwagon, Nick.

Nick:
I had to Googol this term as I had no idea what you were talking about. Apparently, it can mean anything from a male homosexual, to a formidable person, to, according to yahoo answers, the last wagon on a convoy that had to breathe a lot of dust and therefore was undesirable to be in. Hence a complainer.

You'll have to forgive me, I'm younger than you are, but apparently, you're more "hip" with the internets than I am.

So you agree that I was right?

[nickcopernicus]

If I cut out parts of your reply, it’s to reduce post length and not to “cut you off.” I apologize in advance.

Last election, now try this again Nick or do you want to keep pretending you know what my views here?

Nick:
Okay, I’ll consider myself corrected. However, you do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending republicans and not a lot of time (other than in Nat SCI giving good arguments against YEC) defending “liberals.” So you understand why I accuse you of being republican, right?

LPOT:
Finally, you gave some numbers, but don't worry... your buddy Obama has already well beat that record and is well on his way to topping 20 trillion before his term is up.

NICK:
IRRC, it’s been over 100 years since a president left office with the national debt less when he went in than when he took office. Therefore, every president for the last 100 years has sent new records for TDO. I’m not sure why it’s only seen as a problem when Obama took office. Sure 17T is a lot of money, but so was 10T under Bush 5T under Clinton, 2.8T under Regan, ect

LPOT:
And we have been under Obama's 'plan' for how long there Nick? Yet, unemployment has gone up, people living below poverty has gone up, and those on food stamps have gone up. This can all be confirmed, just by looking around the web and even the governments own sources will confirm all of this. Yep, looks like Obama is doing a fantastic job with his 'shovel ready' job program. Don't worry though, you can still be blaming Bush in 2060 for all the ills of the world, rather he had much to do with it or not.

Nick:
Unemployment has went up, peaked at about 10%, then went down.
More people in poverty? There are more people living in America, plus that’s what happens in a recession; same with foodstamps. You have a passing knowledge of how economies work. I’m not sure what you think throwing those talking points out there accomplishes. So Obama should go back to what was happing when he took office? An exploding deficit, losing 700,000 jobs per month, and a shrinking economy?
What exactly should Obama have done instead. Cut taxes? Whoops, he already did that.

LPOT:
And who was the one beating the war drum's, right along with the republicans back in the early 2000's? Wasn't that Democrats?

Nick:
We’re talking about Obama. Was he beating war drums? No.

LPOT:
Who was the one that said he was going to pull troops out and we still have troops there?

Nick:
He said he was pulling out combat troops, and he did.

LPOT:
Wasn't that also our democrat friends? Also, funny... back in 2008, I remember even the liberal media praising the fast action of the government in bailing out business that are 'too big to fail'. What did you already forget that stuff too?

Nick:
The Bailout was a response to fix the problem, not the cause of the problem. Please don’t conflate these two things again. Thanks in advance.

LPOT:
Did you also forget that the whole mess that lead to the housing bubble started back in the 90's, during Clinton's era?

Nick:
No.

LPOT:
Don't worry though, everything in Bush's fault and magically... nothing is the fault of Obama, no matter what! How is that fantasy land working for you Nick? Sorry, but Obama is as much at fault as you want to claim Bush is, the difference is that I'm not making excuses for the mistakes Bush or Regan made, you keep making them for Obama though. Why is that?

Nick:
Crystal. Please, pretty please, with sugar on top, can we have a rational discussion, in good faith, were you don’t take what I say, exaggerate it, then when I point out you’re exaggerating, you accuse me of saying the exact opposite of what I said?
Where did I say or imply that everything was Bush’s fault or even that he was remotely responsible for most of our countries’ problems?
I said I blame problems in America on Bush, but colloquially, after I said he facilitated it, it would be understood by anyone arguing with me in good faith what I meant by that.

LPOT:
You mean the way that I want to see the reality that Obama is as much at fault for the situations we find ourselves in as Bush is? Oh, I forgot... we can only blame the republicans for all the ills of the world. Democrats are magically exempt.

Nick:

LPOT:
Who are the morons that approve all tax cuts and funding? Isn't that those republican and democrat morons sitting in congress? Don't believe me, here is what the US Constitution says in Article 1, section 8:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Nick:
Who controlled all three branches of government in when we declared war on terror in 2001, sent troops into Iraq in 2003? Who approved Bush’s tax cuts in 2003, why were they called “The Bush Tax Cuts” and who controlled both the house and senate?

Now you’re just being silly.

LPOT:
So how did 'Bush' set the tax rate, on his own there Nick without the democrats in congress jumping on board with it? Why do people always want to blame the president and totally ignore what group is responsible for setting tax rates. Now, do keep trying with your 'Bush is to blame for everything' while totally ignoring that your buddies in Congress (including Obama, who was a member of congress, at the time) are the ones that approved it.

Nick:
Crystal, I don’t like calling people names, but I’m afraid here you’re either ignorant of history or especially full of crap.

When Obamacare was enacted, Nancy Pelosi said it was “bi-partisan” because one moderate republican from Maine in the HoR voted for it. Her argument was as inane as yours.

Do you remember how Democrats were able to get it passed even without 60 votes in the Senate? Budget Reconciliation. What Republicans at the time said was an underhanded tactic.
Do you know how the Bush Tax Cuts were enacted in 2001 and 2003? You guessed it. Hypocrite Republicans.

Do you really want to take the position of asking why I blame the unfunded wars on Bush when he asked for the budgets and tax cuts, and asked for congressional authorization for war, and then his Republican allies in congress gave it to him?

I’m afraid I’m going to have to ask you to admit you’re wrong or being very partisan here or I see no reason to continue this conversation.

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Nick:
Come now CP, You don't need me to show you that. You can figure it out on your own. (If I sound condescending, you're just going to have to forgive me because that's no how I'm trying to be.)

You sound like a Jackwagon, Nick.

[lilpixieofterror]

Nick:
Of course. Obama has more control over the military than he does over the economy. But it's perfectly reasonable for Republicans, and Libertarians, to blame him for the economy, but give him little to no credit for having Osama Bin Laden killed.

You mean the system that was set up, by Bush that helped Obama to locate Osama Bin Laden ? Funny how all the bad stuff gets blamed on Bush, but Obama gets the credit for the good stuff. How quint.

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No, you don’t “have” to be a Republican. You’re an “Independent” that probably always votes either Republican or Libertarian. Am I wrong? If So, who is the last Liberal or progressive you voted for?

Last election, now try this again Nick or do you want to keep pretending you know what my views here? I don't even look for the party under their name. I look at their record, what their views are, and if they are consistent with following the views they give.

When I said he “tripled the debt.” I mean exactly what I wrote. But you know what? I was wrong.

Reagan took office in Januar... {cut for post length}

Finally, you gave some numbers, but don't worry... your buddy Obama has already well beat that record and is well on his way to topping 20 trillion before his term is up. Don't worry though Nick, you can pretend I'm a Regan fan girl even when I say he got some things right and other things dead wrong. Hey, why tell you my views when I got you to tell me what my views are?

Shrugs, if that helps you sleep at night, you can blame Obama. But you would still be wrong. 5 years after Obama has left office, in 2022, if there are still problems with the ACA (Obamacare), I have no qualms about blaming it on Obama because that’s his child legislation.

And we have been under Obama's 'plan' for how long there Nick? Yet, unemployment has gone up, people living below poverty has gone up, and those on food stamps have gone up. This can all be confirmed, just by looking around the web and even the governments own sources will confirm all of this. Yep, looks like Obama is doing a fantastic job with his 'shovel ready' job program. Don't worry though, you can still be blaming Bush in 2060 for all the ills of the world, rather he had much to do with it or not.

Most of the debt we have now comes from policies that GWB either enacted, encouraged, or continued. I.e. Medicare part D, Two unfunded wars, a trillion dollar unfunded tax cut, and policies that exacerbated the financial crisis of 2008, which plunged the US into a recession, and lowered tax receipts as an obvious side effect. That’s why much of the blame can be rightly ascribed to GWB. It’s as simple as that.

And who was the one beating the war drum's, right along with the republicans back in the early 2000's? Wasn't that Democrats? Who was the one that said he was going to pull troops out and we still have troops there? Wasn't that also our democrat friends? Also, funny... back in 2008, I remember even the liberal media praising the fast action of the government in bailing out business that are 'too big to fail'. What did you already forget that stuff too? Did you also forget that the whole mess that lead to the housing bubble started back in the 90's, during Clinton's era? Don't worry though, everything in Bush's fault and magically... nothing is the fault of Obama, no matter what! How is that fantasy land working for you Nick? Sorry, but Obama is as much at fault as you want to claim Bush is, the difference is that I'm not making excuses for the mistakes Bush or Regan made, you keep making them for Obama though. Why is that?

If Obama is unable to clean it up, then we can say he wasn’t a good enough president to solve the problems facing America. But there is a vast difference between being unable to solve a problem and being the cause of the problem.
That’s why I blame Bush for America’s problems and Obama for being unable to fix them.

Sorry there Nick, but Obama has been the source for a good deal of America's problems too, so stop making excuses for him and his mistakes and just face the reality that democrats and republicans alike are to blame for the situation we currently find ourselves in. No part or president is 'fully responsible'.

The way you defend Bush below makes that rule.

You mean the way that I want to see the reality that Obama is as much at fault for the situations we find ourselves in as Bush is? Oh, I forgot... we can only blame the republicans for all the ills of the world. Democrats are magically exempt.

The problem I’m discussing here is not that Bush went to war; it’s that he “forgot” to fund them. Do you know what the tax rate was during WWII? <-- That’s not a rhetorical question. That’s what real patriots looked like. What kind moron of goes to war, then cuts taxes?........Oh, wait.

Who are the morons that approve all tax cuts and funding? Isn't that those republican and democrat morons sitting in congress? Don't believe me, here is what the US Constitution says in Article 1, section 8:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

So how did 'Bush' set the tax rate, on his own there Nick without the democrats in congress jumping on board with it? Why do people always want to blame the president and totally ignore what group is responsible for setting tax rates. Now, do keep trying with your 'Bush is to blame for everything' while totally ignoring that your buddies in Congress (including Obama, who was a member of congress, at the time) are the ones that approved it.

Emphasis mine. So now “facilitate” and “singly handily” are synonymous terms? I wrote “facilitate:” that means that he helped it happen. Not cause it all on his own.

Things don't fall apart in a single day Nick, but depressions usually are the results of actions that have been coming down the pipeline for awhile. Just as the great depression wasn't just one thing, but many things, so was this one. Bush has some of the blame, the congressmen that set it up have some of the blame, and the stupid bankers also share the blame. I'm guessing next, you're going to blame Hoover for the great depression when he just happened to be the one stuck holding the check when everything went south.

I think Obama’s doing an okay job. I think his middle east policies were not too bad. I read an article on Politico that discussed some of the tensions that Obama has with the Pentagon and how he was determined to get out of Afghanistan by time instead of by progress. He should have insisted Iraq sign the SOFA to keep troops there, but at least his pull out policies will save us money.

Such Nick, and yet... here we are, we more people living in poverty, more people on welfare, more people jobless, and more people struggling to make ends meat then ever before. If you ignore that though, he is doing a pretty bang up job.

As Far as Russia, I think he could take a more hard-line stance…like threaten to pull out of the START Nuclear Treaties.

History seems to show us, that Russia responds more to actions then threats. Plus, it isn't as though Obama has made good on many of the threats he has made anyway, so why should Russia believe him?

I’m sorry Crystal, but I think it’s worse to be an “all parties are bad” kind of person than it is to be an extreme partisan. You may think both parties are corrupt, but you spend most of your time either defending Republicans, or their policies/ ideologies (prolife – pro “guns rights,” pro-businesses).

My dad is a Democrat that also defends gun rights and is anti abortion advocate himself, so do you really want to try this again? I wasn't aware that supporting X, makes you a republican. Gun rights are defended by the US Constitution (rather you like it or not). Considering that I was born a few months after my parents were married, what do you expect me to be Nick? I guess I was just lucky that I wasn't killed for being inconvenient, at the time? And 'pro businesses' could that be because I know many business owners and see how laws affect them first hand? Many people, in my family, are business owners and they are not evil people. Why shouldn't I support their right to open their own business and support their family with it?

Well, at least you’re not a YEC or a Climate change denier.

Well, at least we now know your mentality, if you support X group, you have to be a Republican. There is no other option, eh? Besides, don't you find it rather odd that so many Democrat members of congress, are business owners that have personal fortunes in the millions of dollars range? Do you really think that people, with vested interest in business, are going to kneecap themselves?

We need a nostalgia smiley. I honestly was worried I’d never get the chance to exchange banter with you ever again when the website went down. Your above quip literally brought ½ of a tear to my right eye.

So you will not let the facts get in the way. Got it.

Of course I knew you made a typo. My sarcastic question was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to hide the fact I was too lazy to back up my claim. I have been cured of that laziness now.
My original claim was this:[indent][I]It's unfortunate that the Republic.... {snipped for post length}

Hummm, I joined the military to pay for my college and my husband's work has a program to pay for schooling, if he wants to go as well. Sorry Nick, but it can be done today as well as it was done years ago. Shoot, the internet should make many things a breeze when it comes to find scholarship information out there. Instead of whining, perhaps finding ways to do it is the way to go? After all, didn't you take the military path yourself?

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I guess when you "lead from behind" you aren't responsible for anything that happens.

Nick:
Of course. Obama has more control over the military than he does over the economy. But it's perfectly reasonable for Republicans, and Libertarians, to blame him for the economy, but give him little to no credit for having Osama Bin Laden killed.