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Impeachment #2: The Unity Impeachment

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  • Impeachment #2: The Unity Impeachment

    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    That does not automatically make his belief true.
    Irrelevant. Trump believes he lost the election due to fraud. True or false is not the issue.

    If someone persists in promulgating and believing an untruth in the face of evidence that it is an untruth [e.g. the person who persistently insists the moon landings were faked] then, yes such a position is peddling a lie and is delusional.
    Aside from you appointing yourself the purveyor of "delusion" and "lies" (which is another subject) you have yet to prove Trump lied.

    lie lī

    • n.
      A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
    • n.
      Something meant to deceive or mistakenly accepted as true.
    • intransitive verb
      To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
    If Trump believes he lost due to fraud, there is no "lie" involved.

    Would you use the same argument for Hitler? "Where did my client issue a written order to exterminate the Jews"?
    No, because they aren't comparable.

    My point is that we have to wait and see. I suspect it will be highly unlikely that Trump will gain the Republican nomination for any future presidential election.
    He'd be too old anyway.

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    FYI - I started this thread because Nancy Pelosi believes that this second impeachment of Trump will assist in unifying the nation.

    The woman is (IMO) insane.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
      FYI - I started this thread because Nancy Pelosi believes that this second impeachment of Trump will assist in unifying the nation.

      The woman is (IMO) insane.
      No. The impeachment is being done to show there are consequences for inciting an insurrection against the USA.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kccd View Post

        No. The impeachment is being done to show there are consequences for inciting an insurrection against the USA.
        No. The impeachment was pushed by Queen Pelosi because her office was soiled by a commoner and she blames Trump for it.

        And... she likes to waste tax money on such things.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          No. The impeachment was pushed by Queen Pelosi because her office was soiled by a commoner and she blames Trump for it.

          And... she likes to waste tax money on such things.
          Trump-inspired right wing insurrectionists broke into and vandalized the Capitol, including Pelosi's office. Her laptop and lectern were stolen along with other items from her desk.

          This is criminal behavior and should not be minimized by describing it as her office being "soiled by a commoner".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

            No. The impeachment was pushed by Queen Pelosi because her office was soiled by a commoner and she blames Trump for it.

            And... she likes to waste tax money on such things.
            There is nothing like impeaching the man who got 75 million votes that says unity...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kccd View Post

              No. The impeachment is being done to show there are consequences for inciting an insurrection against the USA.
              This. Moving on doesn't mean letting people get away with pretending the proven free & fair election was stolen.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                There is nothing like impeaching the man who got 75 million votes that says unity...
                Irrelevant.

                Popularity does not mean that you are above the law.
                Unity has to be based on acceptance of a common set of rules that apply to everyone.

                If popularity should prevent a person from being charged with a crime, Cosby would never have been charged.
                Last edited by kccd; 01-23-2021, 10:21 AM.

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                • #9
                  You know what helps create unity? Concession speeches. Election losers conceding. 147 of them recently voted to overturn a free and fair election in which their guy lost by 7 million votes.

                  If you are looking for the source of disunity these Republicans seem to skip right over Trump's failure to concede the election (propped up by Cruz and other slimy senior republicans), to Democrats reacting to an attack on the Legislative branch of government.


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                  • #10
                    Can we stop misusing the term "insurrection"? It makes it impossible to discuss this matter in any reasoned way.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EvoUK View Post

                      This. Moving on doesn't mean letting people get away with pretending the proven free & fair election was stolen.
                      So what do you expect this to accomplish. ANYBODY from either side is gonna sit back and say, "huh, well, look at that, I was wrong all along"?

                      All it's going to do is drive the wedge even deeper and keep pouring fuel on the fire.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Can we stop misusing the term "insurrection"? It makes it impossible to discuss this matter in any reasoned way.
                        Because it's putting the verdict before the trial.
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EvoUK View Post

                          This. Moving on doesn't mean letting people get away with pretending the proven free & fair election was stolen.
                          You think this impeachment is going to prove otherwise? And you think that's what this impeachment is about?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post

                            There is nothing like impeaching the man who got 75 million votes that says unity...
                            Exactly. She thinks 75 million people are brainwashed and that prosecuting their candidate will somehow deprogram them. Is that nuts or what?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                              Irrelevant. Trump believes he lost the election due to fraud. True or false is not the issue.
                              As there is no evidence to suggest he did lose the election due to fraud we must conclude that either he is lying or he is delusional, or he is both.



                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              Aside from you appointing yourself the purveyor of "delusion" and "lies" (which is another subject) you have yet to prove Trump lied.
                              Lying comes as naturally to Trump as breathing. How many Pinocchio's did the WP award him over the last four years? It runs to tens of thousands. He lied over this election to appeal to his base and its belief that its freedoms and democracy are in danger of being stolen. Lies he and others have been peddling for years.


                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              No, because they aren't comparable.
                              Why not? Using your example of the question as to whether a client deliberately invoked violence the similarity stands. I do not think you will find anything in Nazi official propaganda or in Hitler's speeches where the precise words "Kill the Jews" are employed. Although I am happy to be proven wrong. It was more subtle, as was Trump.



                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              He'd be too old anyway.
                              He would be only a few months older than was Biden when he won the Presidency. However, his age is not the issue.

                              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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