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Can unity happen if the left doesn't come to terms with its behavior?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
If you focus on the politicians, you neglect alot of bad behavior. This is more than just biden, pelosi, aoc. This is average people, angry, hatefult, violent. Pelosi didn't riot in the streets, but liberals and BLM did, supported by mass amounts of the base at large.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
In every situation, there needs to arise a statesman calling for unity. Who, in your opinion, can that be?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You miss the point though.
The call for unity has happened.
Can unity be achieved if one group of people, who actively participated in dragging the country apart, don't actually reflect on the part that they played?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
It's about whether the left can reflect on their angry, hateful, violent rhetoric, their violent antics, their excusing of violence, and whether, without that reflection, unity can be achieved.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, break it down...
By whom, and how?
I'll wait for you to elaborate on whatever point you think I missed --- and I mean that sincerely, not being difficult.
Can change in behavior happen if reflection does not? If behavior doesn't change, can unity happen? Can the country heal and unite if a group of people that has been acting badly refuse to reflect on their own bad behavior.
The answer to those questions, contrary to how Starlight posted, does not depend on whether the other side is worse. That's a deflection technique designed to avoid reflecting on behavior.
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Originally posted by kccd View Post
How is there "disassociation" in that statement? How is unification possible without having a core set of principles to unite behind? And when faced with law-breaking on a grand scale, why it is inappropriate to demand accountability with the recognition that no one is above the law?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Biden made the call for unity. https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us
And you can't appeal for unity while whacking the other guy on the head.
Regardless of the call though, many on the left (for example Starlight ) refuse to actually reflect on how their own behavior added to that disunity. For them, Trump caused it all, and with Trump gone, the only ones who have to unify are conservatives. Meanwhile, many of those people are still angry, bitter, disrespectful, hateful, etc. towards others. They are still calling conservatives Nazi's, they are still painting them as bad guys, etc.
Can change in behavior happen if reflection does not? If behavior doesn't change, can unity happen? Can the country heal and unite if a group of people that has been acting badly refuse to reflect on their own bad behavior.
The answer to those questions, contrary to how Starlight posted, does not depend on whether the other side is worse. That's a deflection technique designed to avoid reflecting on behavior.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Biden made the call for unity. https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us
Regardless of the call though, many on the left (for example Starlight ) refuse to actually reflect on how their own behavior added to that disunity. For them, Trump caused it all, and with Trump gone, the only ones who have to unify are conservatives. Meanwhile, many of those people are still angry, bitter, disrespectful, hateful, etc. towards others. They are still calling conservatives Nazi's, they are still painting them as bad guys, etc.
Can change in behavior happen if reflection does not? If behavior doesn't change, can unity happen? Can the country heal and unite if a group of people that has been acting badly refuse to reflect on their own bad behavior.
The answer to those questions, contrary to how Starlight posted, does not depend on whether the other side is worse. That's a deflection technique designed to avoid reflecting on behavior.
So, is this thread, in actuality, a callout thread for Starlight?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
For the record, you realize Starlight is not a US Citizen, and just a political tourist? I think he has no desire to reflect on anything he says or thinks, because he not only has contempt for Republicans, but also for Christians and anybody who's not a lefty.
So, is this thread, in actuality, a callout thread for Starlight?
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Established. So Trump believes what he said about the election.
Originally posted by Ronson View PostYou are free to peruse this discussion board where I have stated my case a zillion times. But this is sidetracking.
Originally posted by Ronson View PostNow you are playing psychologist, declaring "delusion" when it suits your fancy.
Besides, are "delusion" and "lying" synonymous?
Originally posted by Ronson View PostNo, you say that because your answer to the question will defeat your cause. It is exactly what an attorney would ask in court. "Did my client ask anyone to commit a crime?"
Originally posted by Ronson View PostSo what's your point?
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThat does not automatically make his belief true.
I have no wish to derail this thread.
If someone persists in promulgating and believing an untruth in the face of evidence that it is an untruth [e.g. the person who persistently insists the moon landings were faked] then, yes such a position is peddling a lie and is delusional.
Would you use the same argument for Hitler? "Where did my client issue a written order to exterminate the Jews"?
My point is that we have to wait and see. I suspect it will be highly unlikely that Trump will gain the Republican nomination for any future presidential election.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
And I believe that would be up to the head of their party - Joe Biden - who is not mentally competent, IMOHBAO, to give that guidance.
So, no ---- Nancy and Chuck are probably calling the shots, and there is ZERO desire for reconciliation.
I believe they see this as a two-year window to totally seize power and never have another Republican POTUS, House or Senate.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Sounds like another trumpian or Q conspirarcy theories.........The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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