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Can unity happen if the left doesn't come to terms with its behavior?

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  • Can unity happen if the left doesn't come to terms with its behavior?

    Simple question.

    The left over the last 4 years has engaged in a wide array of hateful, angry, violent rhetoric. They celebrated whenever a person they deemed toxic was deplatformed. Their angry rhetoric likely led to the attempted mass assassination attempt at the congressional baseball game practice. They've painted the entire other side as Nazi's, while having a debate about whether it was OK to "punch a nazi". Confrontations between protesters were cheered as good guys vs bad guys (conservatives). Over the summer, they rioted, with many blaming Trump for the riots, or excusing, justifying, minimizing, or rationalizing the violence.

    All of this is to say that the left didn't stay above the fray, they willingly jumped right into it, and played deep in the mud as much as they wanted.

    What about the right? I hear you asking. Shouldn't you be asking about them?

    The answer is NO. I shouldn't. The Right lost the election. The winners of the election are going to make sure that those who lost are reminded of their bad behavior. They are going to be reminded time and time again at how bad Trump was, and therefore how bad they were to be conservatvie when trump was there. Their bad behavior is going to be acknowledged.

    The left's though? Time and time again, it's been shown that their behavior rarely gets examined closely. Even now, bringing up the summer riots gets dismissed.

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    Given the right-wing were responsible for >90% of the terrorist plots against the US in 2020 (and the majority in the last ~25 years), and given there are currently ~26,000 troops deployed to defend the capital against right-wingers...

    Your thread trying to pretend left-wingers are the ones who need to come to terms with their behavior is hilarious.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
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      (from here)

      Given the right-wing were responsible for >90% of the terrorist plots against the US in 2020 (and the majority in the last ~25 years), and given there are currently ~26,000 troops deployed to defend the capital against right-wingers...

      Your thread trying to pretend left-wingers are the ones who need to come to terms with their behavior is hilarious.
      Thank you for making my points. Very kind of you.

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      • #4
        This quote shows some degree of disassociation:

        "The fact is, the president of the United States committed an act of incitement of insurrection. I don't think it's very unifying to say, 'Oh, let's just forget it and move on.' That's not how you unify." ~ Nancy Pelosi on Impeachment

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          This quote shows some degree of disassociation:

          "The fact is, the president of the United States committed an act of incitement of insurrection. I don't think it's very unifying to say, 'Oh, let's just forget it and move on.' That's not how you unify." ~ Nancy Pelosi on Impeachment
          How is there "disassociation" in that statement? How is unification possible without having a core set of principles to unite behind? And when faced with law-breaking on a grand scale, why it is inappropriate to demand accountability with the recognition that no one is above the law?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kccd View Post

            How is there "disassociation" in that statement? How is unification possible without having a core set of principles to unite behind? And when faced with law-breaking on a grand scale, why it is inappropriate to demand accountability with the recognition that no one is above the law?
            She (you) are convicting Trump ahead of a trial. IMO there is no impeachable offense in the first place.

            There were 74+ million people that voted for Trump in November. You think this action is going to cause them to get goose-pimply and want to hold hands with Democrats? That's disassociation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              She (you) are convicting Trump ahead of a trial. IMO there is no impeachable offense in the first place.
              I would suggest that consistently repeating a lie led to a large number people believing that lie. That in turn prompted a swathe of those people to take action to prevent what they believed was taking place from taking place.

              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              There were 74+ million people that voted for Trump in November. You think this action is going to cause them to get goose-pimply and want to hold hands with Democrats? That's disassociation.
              Did they all vote for Trump specifically though? We know there are some voters who will vote for anyone as long as they are sporting the badge/rosette of the approved Party colour.

              .
              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                I would suggest that consistently repeating a lie led to a large number people believing that lie. That in turn prompted a swathe of those people to take action to prevent what they believed was taking place from taking place.
                Trump believes the election was rigged in certain swing states. I agree with that assessment. His belief is a "lie"? Are you accusing me of lying too? What is your definition of a lie?

                Did Trump ask anyone to storm the capitol?

                Did they all vote for Trump specifically though? We know there are some voters who will vote for anyone as long as they are sporting the badge/rosette of the approved Party colour..
                That's grasping for straws. I'm a registered Libertarian and I voted for him, as I am sure many Democrats did too.

                Face it, this impeachment and Pelosi's twisted view of reality (as well as her anger about her office being soiled by a hillbilly) is driving her away from reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  Did they all vote for Trump specifically though? We know there are some voters who will vote for anyone as long as they are sporting the badge/rosette of the approved Party colour.
                  Quite. A lot of it were due to people who had fallen for the Democrats are EVIL guff so had to vote for Trump as the only opposing party as they were so terrified of a nonsense communist boogieman.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                    Trump believes the election was rigged in certain swing states.
                    Of course he did. The man could not cope with acknowledging he'd lost.

                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    I agree with that assessment.
                    On what evidence?

                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    His belief is a "lie"? Are you accusing me of lying too? What is your definition of a lie?
                    I'd suggest unless you can produce some verifiable and attested evidence you are delusional.

                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    Did Trump ask anyone to storm the capitol?
                    A rather naive and simplistic comment.

                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                    That's grasping for straws.
                    We know that candidates [and not just in the USA] with highly dubious histories will get the vote of some people because the candidate represents the party of choice.
                    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EvoUK View Post

                      Quite. A lot of it were due to people who had fallen for the Democrats are EVIL guff so had to vote for Trump as the only opposing party as they were so terrified of a nonsense communist boogieman.
                      And I bet you can't identify a single person who fits that description. Your theory is baseless.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        Of course he did. The man could not cope with acknowledging he'd lost.
                        Established. So Trump believes what he said about the election.

                        On what evidence?
                        You are free to peruse this discussion board where I have stated my case a zillion times. But this is sidetracking.

                        I'd suggest unless you can produce some verifiable and attested evidence you are delusional.
                        Now you are playing psychologist, declaring "delusion" when it suits your fancy.

                        Besides, are "delusion" and "lying" synonymous?

                        A rather naive and simplistic comment.
                        No, you say that because your answer to the question will defeat your cause. It is exactly what an attorney would ask in court. "Did my client ask anyone to commit a crime?"

                        We know that candidates [and not just in the USA] with highly dubious histories will get the vote of some people because the candidate represents the party of choice.
                        So what's your point? That many of that 74+ million only voted for Trump because he's a Republican and they want to throw him under the bus now? Assuming there's a grain of truth to that, I will reduce my number to 70 million. Is that better?

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                        • #13
                          Thread is getting off topic, this is not about Trumps behavior and whether he did or did not incite a riot.

                          Its about whether or not unity can happen if the left does not acknowledge and try to reform it's own bad behavior. So far, the only posts from those on "the left" here, are trying to deflect to Trump instead of looking at their own side's behavior. Do not enable that behavior.
                          Last edited by CivilDiscourse; 01-22-2021, 09:22 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                            Simple question.

                            The left over the last 4 years has engaged in a wide array of hateful, angry, violent rhetoric. They celebrated whenever a person they deemed toxic was deplatformed. Their angry rhetoric likely led to the attempted mass assassination attempt at the congressional baseball game practice. They've painted the entire other side as Nazi's, while having a debate about whether it was OK to "punch a nazi". Confrontations between protesters were cheered as good guys vs bad guys (conservatives). Over the summer, they rioted, with many blaming Trump for the riots, or excusing, justifying, minimizing, or rationalizing the violence.

                            All of this is to say that the left didn't stay above the fray, they willingly jumped right into it, and played deep in the mud as much as they wanted.

                            What about the right? I hear you asking. Shouldn't you be asking about them?

                            The answer is NO. I shouldn't. The Right lost the election. The winners of the election are going to make sure that those who lost are reminded of their bad behavior. They are going to be reminded time and time again at how bad Trump was, and therefore how bad they were to be conservatvie when trump was there. Their bad behavior is going to be acknowledged.

                            The left's though? Time and time again, it's been shown that their behavior rarely gets examined closely. Even now, bringing up the summer riots gets dismissed.
                            There is so much denialism taking place among those on the left that one could not be blamed for thinking that they live in some sort of topsy-turvy Bizarro-land version of reality. Rather than acknowledging their behavior over the past four years they resolutely ignore the #Resist movement (something that failed Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren's (D-Mass) campaign pushed selling bumper stickers and pins pushing that slogan), the cries of "Not My President" as well as violent riots starting the day after Trump won the election and culminating in months of violent rioting through the summer, they actually are now engaged in historical negationism (a standard ploy from the left's playbook) and proclaiming that it was actually the right who refused to unify and fought against it the past four years.

                            Case in point, on her MSNBC program Deadline: White House Nicolle Wallace was quite literally ranting after the House's second impeachment of Trump (one that violated almost every guideline that they had established for such a procedure) as she claimed that "[T]here is not a single member of the Republican Party who cared at all about unity" during Trump's presidency, adding "They've made clear they don't care and that disunity has been their strategy." Talk about a textbook case of projection.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              TNT_Graphics_Web-01.jpg
                              (from here)

                              Given the right-wing were responsible for >90% of the terrorist plots against the US in 2020 (and the majority in the last ~25 years), and given there are currently ~26,000 troops deployed to defend the capital against right-wingers...

                              Your thread trying to pretend left-wingers are the ones who need to come to terms with their behavior is hilarious.
                              Another left-leaning 'think tank'.

                              Can you also provide a source with the same data, where the founder and leaders are ex Republican officials, instead of ex-Bill Clinton appointees? You know, just to show you're balanced.

                              Hamre was DoD Comptroller (1993–1997) and Deputy Secretary of Defense (1997–1999), both under President Bill Clinton.[5][3]

                              The Senate appointed Hamre (2001) to the Commission on the Future of the United States Aerospace Industry.[8]

                              Hamre worked on the Obama transition team. He is chairman of the Defense Policy Board.[4][8] Hamre's continued involvement in the defense establishment has put him on the short list for the position of Secretary of Defense multiple times, including during the formation of the first term of the Obama administration and most recently after the president's re-election in 2012.


                              ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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