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Is this the first sign of "The Great Falling Away"?
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Ah so it's a 'drop in the bucket', so instead of letting those people of the nation that need it, drink it, you say screw it - and them - and toss it out into the fire. How does that make any sense whatsoever?
But the damage done to the environment by the product of those jobs is more significant.
And if efforts are being made for job creation, they should go to creating huge numbers of long term jobs in industries with a future, not a few jobs in a horse and buggy dying industry..
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
You seem to be almost entirely unaware of the tremendous amount of violence and destruction committed over many months by the "mostly peaceful protestors" representing Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and other Democrat approved groups, so how else to explain it other than you didn't follow the events very closely? Or perhaps you did follow the events closely and are fully aware of what I'm referring to but are playing your usual game of selective willful ignorance because you seem to have gotten it into your head that this is good debate tactic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/u...act-check.html
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-people-injur/
And let us not try to pretend that the police have always been angels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnRAI500jY
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by seer View Postthere were people killed in the riots over the summer. And I'm not speaking just of your examples.
At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020
By my tally, from that page, of the killings where we know the perpetrators, the perpetrators' affiliations were:
Right-wingers: 8
Police: 3
Neutral 3rd parties: 3
Left-wingers: 2
It's interesting that despite year-long protests by left-wing and BLM groups, when causalities did occur, left-wingers were the least likely to be the ones inflicting them. I was somewhat surprised to see that police were not particularly likely to be ones who fired the deadly shots in these incidents either.
Even after all the reports I've read about right-wing violence and domestic terrorism being a huge problem in America, I was still somehow surprised to see that right-wingers killed as many people as the other 3 groups combined in those 2020 protests.
So when you speak of the protests being violent and people being killed, it's very much worth noting that it was very much right-wingers, and not left-wingers, who did the killings."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Posthttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/proud-boys-trump.html
‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump
Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.
After the presidential election last year, the Proud Boys, a far-right group, declared its undying loyalty to President Trump.
In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.
But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.
As Mr. Trump departed the White House on Wednesday, the Proud Boys, once among his staunchest supporters, have also started leaving his side. In dozens of conversations on social media sites like Gab and Telegram, members of the group have begun calling Mr. Trump a “shill” and “extraordinarily weak,” according to messages reviewed by The New York Times. They have also urged supporters to stop attending rallies and protests held for Mr. Trump or the Republican Party.
The comments are a startling turn for the Proud Boys, which for years had backed Mr. Trump and promoted political violence.
It is remarkable, given their devotion to Trump just after the election, how quickly this group has turned on him. It appears from a later section of the article that since the storming of the Capitol in which Proud Boy members were involved "discontent with Mr. Trump, who later condemned the violence, has boiled over. On social media, Proud Boys participants have complained about his willingness to leave office and said his disavowal of the Capitol rampage was an act of betrayal."
Surely they realised he was trying to save himself?
They are also angry that he "did nothing to help those in the group who face legal action for the Capitol violence. On Wednesday, a Proud Boy leader, Joseph Biggs, 37, was arrested in Florida and charged with unlawful entry and corruptly obstructing an official proceeding in the riot. At least four other members of the group also face charges stemming from the attack." They obviously did not have the right contacts to go about seeking pardons for them. Or perhaps they were just not wealthy enough to pay the bribe.
The article ends "They thought they had his support and that, ultimately, Trump would come through for them, including with a pardon if they should need it,” said Jared Holt, a visiting research fellow at the Atlantic Council’s DFR Lab. “Now they realize they went too far in the riots.”
How naive are these people? Did they really expect a man of Trump's character [a narcissist and coward] to really stand by them? How many more are going to slowly come to the realisation that the man in whom they placed such hope and faith was only in it for himself, his family, and his cronies?
Trae Crowder summed it up rather well in one of his Youtube comments last year, which despite the very strong language is absolutely on target.
Honestly, asking this type of question is about as stupid as predicting that the losing party is "over", "finished", or "Dead".
But then again people who make such posts are generally trolling anyways....
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You realize that after every election loss, the losing part goes through infighting, right? The democrats did it when they lost to Trump, when they lost to Bush.
Honestly, asking this type of question is about as stupid as predicting that the losing party is "over", "finished", or "Dead".
But then again people who make such posts are generally trolling anyways....
The thread title was intended to be light hearted, "really you are very dull!'.
."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The thread title was intended to be light hearted, "really you are very dull!'.
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As per the standard you use on others, we can only go by what your write. You should be more clear.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's interesting looking down that page, and looking at who did the killing.
By my tally, from that page, of the killings where we know the perpetrators, the perpetrators' affiliations were:
Right-wingers: 8
Police: 3
Neutral 3rd parties: 3
Left-wingers: 2
It's interesting that despite year-long protests by left-wing and BLM groups, when causalities did occur, left-wingers were the least likely to be the ones inflicting them. I was somewhat surprised to see that police were not particularly likely to be ones who fired the deadly shots in these incidents either.
Even after all the reports I've read about right-wing violence and domestic terrorism being a huge problem in America, I was still somehow surprised to see that right-wingers killed as many people as the other 3 groups combined in those 2020 protests.
So when you speak of the protests being violent and people being killed, it's very much worth noting that it was very much right-wingers, and not left-wingers, who did the killings.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/left-wing...n-inauguration
Last edited by seer; 01-24-2021, 09:56 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Ah, the old "I got called out so I'll say I was only joking" defense.
As per the standard you use on others, we can only go by what your write. You should be more clear.
Nor do I even understand why you bothered to make your comments at post #65. It is almost as if you have suddenly noticed the thread."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If you are "looking for a fight" kindly go elsewhere.
Nor do I even understand why you bothered to make your comments at post #65. It is almost as if you have suddenly noticed the thread.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
No fight. Just pointing out that your post is rather pointless. Just as the "the Xparty is finished. They'll never recover!" posts often seen after an election. It was you who responded with an "i was only joking" style response. Instead of addressing any of my actual points.
The OP was about a neo-fascist group falling out of love with Trump and I made a later post linked to Politico that covered the various lunatic ideas including the suggestion [as in the Nicholas Cage and John Travolta 1997 movie] that Trump and Biden had switched faces, and the internal wrangling among the QAnon cult that supports Trump."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
As I did not write in the OP that I considered either Trump or the Republican Party to be "finished" I am at a loss to understand why you have written the above.
The OP was about a neo-fascist group falling out of love with Trump and I made a later post linked to Politico that covered the various lunatic ideas including the suggestion [as in the Nicholas Cage and John Travolta 1997 movie] that Trump and Biden had switched faces, and the internal wrangling among the QAnon cult that supports Trump.
Go back to what I wrote, it'll be clear what and why I wrote it.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Back to the "I can't understand" concept?
Your comments pertaining to political "post mortems" for losing parties after an election, were not pertinent to my remarks about the neo-fascist and lunatic fringe elements of Trump's supporters."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI understood you quite clearly. I did not understand why you wrote what you did given that I had never written in my OP that I considered either Trump or the Republican Party to be "finished" .
Your comments pertaining to political "post mortems" for losing parties after an election, were not pertinent to my remarks about the neo-fascist and lunatic fringe elements of Trump's supporters.
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More of the Great Falling Away?
Antifa took to the streets of Tacoma Sunday night and began smashing windows of businesses, cars, and government buildings, according to multiple tweets posted online. Antifa planned the protest for 9 p.m. Sunday after a Tacoma police officer injured two people while driving his police SUV through a crowd of people gathered at a street racing event, Breitbart News reported.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-or...ma-washington/
More details are needed here: the reason the officer drove through the crowd is because they deliberately surrounded his vehicle and started beating on it. Pushing through them was the only means he had to save his life.
Do you think Bumbling Biden could spare a few National Guard troops to deal with a real emergency, or will he keep them in Washington DC where they do nothing but make his little tyrannical heart happy?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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