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  • Do Libertarians Support Open Borders?

    I saw this, and rather than derail a thread, thought it was worth it's own thread...

    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    Better question (from a libertarian who actually supports open borders, as many of us do): will the Democrat base learnfrom this that all the talk about immigration reform, ending deportations, and path to citizenship were lies sold them by their own party which has little interest in it unless they are campaigning?
    Is this true? Do "many" libertarians support "open borders", and what does that mean?
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I saw this, and rather than derail a thread, thought it was worth it's own thread...



    Is this true? Do "many" libertarians support "open borders", and what does that mean?
    That is correct.

    https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders

    https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

    there are certainly some that don't but a large enough majority do, that it's part of the party platform as seen above(its not as divisive a party issue as abortion for example).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I saw this, and rather than derail a thread, thought it was worth it's own thread...



      Is this true? Do "many" libertarians support "open borders", and what does that mean?
      I work with a libertarian who does believe in open borders, let any one come in to work. But according to him we would have to end all welfare programs - across the board.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        That is correct.

        https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders

        https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

        there are certainly some that don't but a large enough majority do, that it's part of the party platform as seen above(its not as divisive a party issue as abortion for example).
        OK, so I'm curious -- how does that apply as to citizenship? Should they be granted citizenship? Earn it some way? Should they be allowed to vote? Participate in welfare programs?
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          OK, so I'm curious -- how does that apply as to citizenship? Should they be granted citizenship? Earn it some way? Should they be allowed to vote? Participate in welfare programs?
          1. They can become citizens after going through a naturalization process, etc. Much like we have now.
          2. I'd definitely support that - some decent amount of civic volunteering or military service couldn't say, get them to the front of the line of the citizenship process.
          3. Nope. Not until (or if) they become citizens.
          4. No, I favor ending welfare programs as well, but even if we dont we need straight up long term citizenship requirements.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            1. They can become citizens after going through a naturalization process, etc. Much like we have now.
            2. I'd definitely support that - some decent amount of civic volunteering or military service couldn't say, get them to the front of the line of the citizenship process.
            3. Nope. Not until (or if) they become citizens.
            4. No, I favor ending welfare programs as well, but even if we dont we need straight up long term citizenship requirements.
            Thanks for your direct answers. Rather refreshing.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              I work with a libertarian who does believe in open borders, let any one come in to work. But according to him we would have to end all welfare programs - across the board.
              Yep. Or at the very least (and taking a more realistic look at the reality that at least for some time, welfare programs are nogoing anywhere), make welfare programs more strict to qualify, more short term and focusing ong etting people back on their feet, and most importantly, restricting it to only citizens.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                Yep. Or at the very least (and taking a more realistic look at the reality that at least for some time, welfare programs are nogoing anywhere), make welfare programs more strict to qualify, more short term and focusing ong etting people back on their feet, and most importantly, restricting it to only citizens.
                On that, you sound like a Conservative!
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Thanks for your direct answers. Rather refreshing.
                  Yeah, it's important to take the position as a whole as opposed to individual elements. Open borders would be one cog in a giant policy/agenda machine, not an individual light switch that gets turned on and off.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    I saw this, and rather than derail a thread, thought it was worth it's own thread...



                    Is this true? Do "many" libertarians support "open borders", and what does that mean?
                    As I responded in that thread, I used to support open borders but the whole thing became abused way too much. I know a few other libertarians who feel the same way.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      As I responded in that thread, I used to support open borders but the whole thing became abused way too much. I know a few other libertarians who feel the same way.
                      A pendulum swing kind of thing?
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        On that, you sound like a Conservative!
                        Ah, the curse of being a Libertarian.

                        I've literally, on another forum, been accused on one thread of being a far-right extremist by a liberal poster, and then on another thread less than a minute later, labeled a socialist by a conservative poster

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                          That is correct.

                          https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders

                          https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

                          there are certainly some that don't but a large enough majority do, that it's part of the party platform as seen above(its not as divisive a party issue as abortion for example).
                          One of the differences between capital L libertarians (as in the party with that name) and small l libertarians I guess

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                            Ah, the curse of being a Libertarian.

                            I've literally, on another forum, been accused on one thread of being a far-right extremist by a liberal poster, and then on another thread less than a minute later, labeled a socialist by a conservative poster
                            Understood! I, an Independent, am often accused of being a Republican because so many of my views line up so much more with them than with the Dems.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              One of the differences between capital L libertarians (as in the party with that name) and small l libertarians I guess
                              No, not so much. I am not part of the L libertarian party myself, actually (I was for a while but gave up my membership because I didnt agree with the way the leadership was running things and self-savotaging), and know many big and little L l libertarians who support open borders. It's more simply a personal thing on where on the spectrum you fall (much like the issue of abortion)

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