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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So based on Biden and the left's rhetoric another South American caravan of immigrants is on it's way to the border. They believe Biden is just going to let them cross the border en mass and then magically all of their problems will be over and they will be rich Americans.

    I wonder what Biden really will do? He can't just let them all in. If he did, it would destroy the economy of Texas, Arizona, etc. and also most likely start another superspreader event for COVID in the area.

    Also letting this group in would only mean the next one will probably be 10 times the size.

    Will Biden put children in cages?
    Probably.

    Right now it looks like his transition team is panicking and urging them not to come.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1254550

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Probably the same as what Obama did: Not let them in.

      Will the Republican base learn from this that the propaganda they've been fed about the Dems being for open borders are false? I doubt it. Such gullible people will just continue to believe and repeat that same lie over and over.
      Better question (from a libertarian who actually supports open borders, as many of us do): will the Democrat base learnfrom this that all the talk about immigration reform, ending deportations, and path to citizenship were lies sold them by their own party which has little interest in it unless they are campaigning?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Will he put them in cages, as Obama did?
        It's amusing how you guys seem to simultaneously believe Democrats treat immigrants terribly at the border and have open borders to let them straight in. Maybe stick to either accusing Democrats of being too harsh at the border or too soft at the border, but not accusing them of both simultaneously?
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          It's amusing how you guys seem to simultaneously believe Democrats treat immigrants terribly at the border and have open borders to let them straight in. Maybe stick to either accusing Democrats of being too harsh at the border or too soft at the border, but not accusing them of both simultaneously?
          What's amusing is how quickly you can jump to nutty conclusions all by your little self.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
            Better question (from a libertarian who actually supports open borders, as many of us do):
            It's nice to see libertarians taking ownership of that. All too often I've seen the MSM asking Bernie about how he's going to implement open borders as part of his alleged Socialist Agenda, and he gets sick of explaining to them that leftists don't support open borders and that it's a Koch brothers / libertarian position.

            I think open borders is a crazy idea. I'm relatively conservative on immigration (which, in my country is the typical leftist position, while the right-wing parties favor higher immigration for the sake of what they perceive to be economic benefits).

            If there were open borders everywhere, Western countries all over the world would be quickly flooded with immigrants to unmanageable levels. Looking at some of the pew & gallup international polling results as to which countries people around the world would move to if there was universal open borders, I see my own country would be one of the hardest hit per capita, with a whooping 400% population increase from immigration (compare to the US which would only get around a 33% population increase according to the same polling). As it is, the housing market in my country is absurdly expensive because we can't seem to build new houses fast enough to accommodate all the people we are already letting in (and this in spite of the borders being fully closed to non-citizens/residents over the Covid period), so fully open borders would be absolutely absurd.

            will the Democrat base learnfrom this that all the talk about immigration reform, ending deportations, and path to citizenship were lies sold them by their own party
            Nothing stops the Dems implementing those reforms if they want. Those reforms together don't amount to open borders.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Probably the same as what Obama did: Not let them in.

              Will the Republican base learn from this that the propaganda they've been fed about the Dems being for open borders are false? I doubt it. Such gullible people will just continue to believe and repeat that same lie over and over.
              The democrats are the one's feeding us the propaganda. So I guess you are saying that they are a bunch of liars?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                Probably.

                Right now it looks like his transition team is panicking and urging them not to come.

                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1254550
                Back 'er up! *beep* *beep* *beep*


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                  Better question (from a libertarian who actually supports open borders, as many of us do): will the Democrat base learnfrom this that all the talk about immigration reform, ending deportations, and path to citizenship were lies sold them by their own party which has little interest in it unless they are campaigning?
                  I used to favor open borders but the whole thing was abused way too much

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    Back 'er up! *beep* *beep* *beep*
                    The liberals seem particularly cursed with the law of unintended consequences.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Will he put them in cages, as Obama did?
                      Will the MSM turn a blind eye toward it like they did during his Administration[1], or will they find a way to blame Trump like when they kept showing pictures and film taken when Obama was president and claiming it was during Trump's?

                      I'm betting on the latter.



                      1. I can't remember the Texas Democrat Congressman who was furious how the MSM ignored the situation for several years right up until Trump was president in spite of all his attempts to get the message out.

                      Sort of like how the MSM immediately lost interest in the homeless problem throughout Clinton's Administration and literally only started reported on it again the day Bush was inaugurated (either WaPo or NYT ran a front page story that day).

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Reminds me of the old puzzle.

                        If I build a house and every wall faces south, where am I?
                        The version I remember is: If you walk south one mile, then east one mile, then north one mile and wind up in the same place, where is that?

                        But what nobody realized is there there are more than one answer to that question.
                        When I Survey....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          He is telling them that there is a pathway to citizenship after 8 years or something like that, but only for those who were already in the country as of Jan 1, 2021. So what happens when this new caravan gets to the border and finds out it doesn't apply to them? I don't think even sleepy Joe is dumb enough to just open the borders, especially during a pandemic and when our economy is already in the toilet. These people just be a further burden on our already strained welfare system, and would be spreading COVID.
                          If we have to depend on China Joe's intelligence to stop bad policy from being implemented, then we're screwed. Not to mention that I have a feeling that Democrats are going to be as diligent verifying date of entry as they were verifying that all votes cast in the 2020 election were legitimate. I wonder what forged entry papers dated prior to January 1 are selling for?
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Will the MSM turn a blind eye toward it like they did during his Administration[1], or will they find a way to blame Trump like when they kept showing pictures and film taken when Obama was president and claiming it was during Trump's?

                            I'm betting on the latter.



                            1. I can't remember the Texas Democrat Congressman who was furious how the MSM ignored the situation for several years right up until Trump was president in spite of all his attempts to get the message out.

                            Sort of like how the MSM immediately lost interest in the homeless problem throughout Clinton's Administration and literally only started reported on it again the day Bush was inaugurated (either WaPo or NYT ran a front page story that day).
                            They will report it if they can figure out a way to blame Trump.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Faber View Post

                              The version I remember is: If you walk south one mile, then east one mile, then north one mile and wind up in the same place, where is that?

                              But what nobody realized is there there are more than one answer to that question.
                              But the interesting things is that our sins are removed as far as the East is from the West ---- not the North from the South, which is obviously measurable.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                So based on Biden and the left's rhetoric another central American caravan of immigrants is on it's way to the border. They believe Biden is just going to let them cross the border en mass and then magically all of their problems will be over and they will be rich Americans.
                                The caravan is now officially broken up and dispersing here where I live, now it's us (Guatemalans) stuck with a sudden surplus of 5,000-9,000 some folks with no where to go. And for the record I also consider it a foolhardy solution knowing well that even if they make it the U.S. border, that will be the end of it.


                                I wonder what Biden really will do? He can't just let them all in. If he did, it would destroy the economy of Texas, Arizona, etc. and also most likely start another superspreader event for COVID in the area.

                                To actually apply the Refugee Law inscribed within U.S. Law without exception, and fulfill the covenant of Article 31 of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees: non-penalization, detention, and protection, actually stop skirting around international obligations that they ascribed to many decades ago when it comes to their Latin neighbors.


                                And for the record, I am not proposing "open the border" or some flippant nonsense like that, and even less so in the current pandemic. At this stage of our times, regulations of migration by States can't be done away, even the most lax regulations. It's a question on how best to apply them whilst fulfilling international treaties and obligations.
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