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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    So, if Trump gets removed, Pence becomes the POTUS for a few days, and Pelosi becomes the first woman Vice President, pulling the rug from Kamala Harris...
    Removal of the president does not turn the Speaker of the House into the Vice President. The Vice Presidential slot remains empty until the new president nominates a vice president and they are confirmed by both houses of congress. It would make Pelosi second-in-line to the presidency (as there would be no vice president), but she would not become the vice president.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kccd View Post

      More than symbolism. I understand that if Trump is convicted in the Senate, he can no longer hold public office again, he loses his pension and he loses his Secret Service protection. This is not trivial.

      Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/11/facebook-posts/fact-checking-viral-post-about-impeachment-and-tru/

      A Facebook post says that if Trump is impeached again, he will lose his lifetime pension, travel allowance, Secret Service detail, and his ability to run for public office.

      That claim misses the mark on most counts.

      If the House votes to impeach Trump, the Senate would have to convict him while he’s still in office in order to revoke his lifetime pension and travel allowance. With only days until Biden takes over the White House, that prospect is unlikely, and Trump’s Secret Service detail would remain unaffected.

      After Trump leaves the White House, the Senate could bar him from holding public office. Congress could also change the law to deny Trump his benefits. But neither would happen simply as the result of impeachment.

      The post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

      © Copyright Original Source


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      • #18
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post


        Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/11/facebook-posts/fact-checking-viral-post-about-impeachment-and-tru/

        A Facebook post says that if Trump is impeached again, he will lose his lifetime pension, travel allowance, Secret Service detail, and his ability to run for public office.

        That claim misses the mark on most counts.

        If the House votes to impeach Trump, the Senate would have to convict him while he’s still in office in order to revoke his lifetime pension and travel allowance. With only days until Biden takes over the White House, that prospect is unlikely, and Trump’s Secret Service detail would remain unaffected.

        After Trump leaves the White House, the Senate could bar him from holding public office. Congress could also change the law to deny Trump his benefits. But neither would happen simply as the result of impeachment.

        The post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

        © Copyright Original Source

        It's worth the effort to impeach him if they only manage to bar him from holding public office.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          The House has just voted to impeach President Trump for the second time – making him the only US president to ever be impeached twice.

          The impeachment resolution the House voted on, which passed 232 to 197, charges Trump with a single article, “incitement of insurrection” for his role in last week’s deadly Capitol riot.
          It would certainly be interesting (though absurdly unlikely) if the Senate were to hold a trial and remove him before inauguration day. Then we could have the Year Of Four Presidents. Trump, then Pence, Then Biden, and then of course Harris because they're not likely to keep Biden in there for long, especially with the way they've been stressing the 25th Amendment across MSM and in Congress the last few months.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by kccd View Post

            More than symbolism. I understand that if Trump is convicted in the Senate, he can no longer hold public office again, he loses his pension and he loses his Secret Service protection. This is not trivial.
            All speculation.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              I stand corrected. McConnell said he wouldn't push this up the calendar or call for a special session. That means if the Senate votes on it, it will be after Biden takes office. So it would be nothing but symbolism.
              If they convict, the vote following would ban Trump from federal politics for life. That would be worth it.

              Then there is the 14th amendment as a back up plan for the same outcome.
              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-13-2021, 08:49 PM.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #22
                wake me up in 20 years if perchance this stuff is over by then.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                  The Senate won't be in session again until January 19, and there is no way to have a trial in a day, so Trump won't be removed early.

                  But if Trump actually did get removed before January 20, Pelosi wouldn't become VP. Pence would nominate a VP, to be confirmed by a majority vote of both houses of congress.
                  And everybody knows that - so this impeachment was just a sham.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                    It's worth the effort to impeach him if they only manage to bar him from holding public office.
                    Yep, that would be a major win for everyone. He's likely to be in court for a while after anyway. Even if he manages a pardon, the states will come after him. Andca lot of his resources have been cut off.
                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                      It would certainly be interesting (though absurdly unlikely) if the Senate were to hold a trial and remove him before inauguration day. Then we could have the Year Of Four Presidents. Trump, then Pence, Then Biden, and then of course Harris because they're not likely to keep Biden in there for long, especially with the way they've been stressing the 25th Amendment across MSM and in Congress the last few months.
                      While it is possible Biden could develop a mental or physical incapacity, i tend to think it more cynicism than reality at this point.
                      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        And everybody knows that - so this impeachment was just a sham.
                        The impeachment isn't for removal, since he'll be removed having lost the election. Impeachment costs him in brand and prevents from him running for POTUS again.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by whag View Post

                          The impeachment isn't for removal, since he'll be removed having lost the election. Impeachment costs him in brand and prevents from him running for POTUS again.
                          No - impeachment does NOT do that - he was already impeached. It's only if the Senate votes to remove him that it MIGHT come into play.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            No - impeachment does NOT do that - he was already impeached.
                            He was impeached in the house, not the Senate,

                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            It's only if the Senate votes to remove him that it MIGHT come into play.
                            Newsweek says that

                            According to the Senate's website, "The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future."

                            The second penalty—banning a public figure from running for office again—requires only a simple majority of 51 senators rather than the two-thirds majority needed for removal, according to The New York Times.


                            Bold mine.

                            The 2nd penalty is the goal, since removal is redundant.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by whag View Post

                              He was impeached in the house, not the Senate,
                              Yes, that's the only body that CAN impeach -- not the Senate.

                              I have seen dispute over whether the Senate can ban from holding from office if the target is NOT "removed from office" from the Senate.
                              In other words, he would have to be convicted in the Senate by 2/3 vote, and IF that happens, then he can be banned form office by a simple majority.

                              We're in uncharted waters here, and I've seen legal experts argue it both ways. ;shrug:

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                                While it is possible Biden could develop a mental or physical incapacity, i tend to think it more cynicism than reality at this point.
                                "develop"

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