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  • #31
    Originally posted by whag View Post

    The impeachment isn't for removal, since he'll be removed having lost the election. Impeachment costs him in brand and prevents from him running for POTUS again.
    Let's look at this again ---- the actual impeachment happens in the House, as you later stated, and is already done. It does NOTHING to keep him from running again OR removing him from office.
    THAT is entirely up to the Senate, after impeachment.

    That was my point. So, it's incorrect to say that impeachment prevents him from running for POTUS again.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Let's look at this again ---- the actual impeachment happens in the House, as you later stated, and is already done. It does NOTHING to keep him from running again OR removing him from office.
      THAT is entirely up to the Senate, after impeachment.

      That was my point. So, it's incorrect to say that impeachment prevents him from running for POTUS again.
      Gotcha. Sorry for that.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Yes, that's the only body that CAN impeach -- not the Senate.



        I have seen dispute over whether the Senate can ban from holding from office if the target is NOT "removed from office" from the Senate.
        In other words, he would have to be convicted in the Senate by 2/3 vote, and IF that happens, then he can be banned form office by a simple majority.

        We're in uncharted waters here, and I've seen legal experts argue it both ways. ;shrug:
        Only one way makes sense. Unless banning someone from holding office even though that person continues to hold office makes sense.

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        • #34
          Text of the constitution is plain. Takes 2/3 to convict. Barring from holding office is one of two punishments available upon conviction.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
            The Senate is going to ignore this.
            You are probably correct, but should it?
            "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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            • #36
              They want to make sure that Trump cannot run again in 2024, or hold any other public office.
              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
              “not all there” - you know who you are

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              • #37
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                While it is possible Biden could develop a mental or physical incapacity...
                Could develop?
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  You are probably correct, but should it?
                  No, I was wrong. They will address it, but just not in a hurry.

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                  • #39
                    Does anyone have a link to President Trump's speech that some say started the riot at the Capitol in his own words. All I can find is links to what someone else says he said. Thanks.

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                    • #40
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                        Text of the constitution is plain. Takes 2/3 to convict. Barring from holding office is one of two punishments available upon conviction.
                        Yep. NPR was discussing this as well. The barri ng from office is a punishment that can be voted upon after conviction.

                        to go back to my analogy, removal from office and barring from further office are potential punishments: I.e. like sentencing after conviction. One doesnt get to apply punishments before (or with a failure to convict) conviction.

                        so, as you said, 2/3 to convict first, and then they can vote (simple majority)on barring from office if successful.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                          Yep. NPR was discussing this as well. The barri ng from office is a punishment that can be voted upon after conviction.

                          to go back to my analogy, removal from office and barring from further office are potential punishments: I.e. like sentencing after conviction. One doesnt get to apply punishments before (or with a failure to convict) conviction.

                          so, as you said, 2/3 to convict first, and then they can vote (simple majority)on barring from office if successful.
                          That is my understanding, as well. And our Founding Fathers didn't seem to think that impeachment was something to be used as a political weapon, but in extreme circumstances, and with cooler heads.
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            That is my understanding, as well. And our Founding Fathers didn't seem to think that impeachment was something to be used as a political weapon, but in extreme circumstances, and with cooler heads.
                            Our Founding Fathers were also under no illusion that the Constitution would serve as a restraint to people who had lost all sense of reason. As John Adams famously said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              Our Founding Fathers were also under no illusion that the Constitution would serve as a restraint to people who had lost all sense of reason. As John Adams famously said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
                              You can say that again.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                You can say that again.
                                Our Founding Fathers were also under no illusion that the Constitution would serve as a restraint to people who had lost all sense of reason. As John Adams famously said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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