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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I think the goal of Biden and the democrats is not to bring us together but to instigate more violence by the right by marginalizing and demonizing them as much as possible. There is nothing as dangerous as a cornered dog, and eventually it will bite back. I think that is what they are after. Trying to impeach Trump with only a few days to go is a calculated move to anger his supporters more, hoping they will respond. Allowing the cancel culture to silence conservative voices also serves to anger them. Calling them "insurrectionists" and "terrorists" inflames things further. None of this is being done to calm the people or bring us together. It is meant to inflame. I think their hope is that if Trump supporters attack again, they will have a mandate to shut down all conservatives, limit free speech and maybe go further.

    This is scary stuff. I was just reading a story about how Nazi Germany started up (someone on facebook was actually trying to use it to claim it sounded like Trump) and I see some frightening parallels.



    Fire in the Reichstag: a first step towards the dictatorship

    Before long, Hitler claimed more power. The fire in the Reichstag, the parliament building, was a key moment in this development. On 27 February 1933, guards noticed the flames blazing through the roof. They overpowered the suspected arsonist, a Dutch communist named Marinus van der Lubbe. He was executed after a show trial in 1934. Evidence of any accomplices was never found.
    The Nazi leadership was quick to arrive at the scene. An eyewitness said that upon seeing the fire, Göring called out: ‘This is the beginning of the Communist revolt, they will start their attack now! Not a moment must be lost!' Before he could go on, Hitler shouted: 'There will be no mercy now. Anyone who stands in our way will be cut down.’
    The next morning, President Von Hindenburg promulgated the Reichstag Fire Decree. It formed the basis for the dictatorship. The civil rights of the German people were curtailed. Freedom of expression was no longer a matter of course and the police could arbitrarily search houses and arrest people. The political opponents of the Nazis were essentially outlawed.

    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-fr...JAyOYudjqqxv0I

    Doesn't the riot in the Capitol sound like the "Fire in the Reichstag?" The democrats are using that as an excuse to grab power and demonize conservatives. Curtailing free speech, cancelling conservative apps and accounts.
    Yeah that's it, given his long service for others he just wants to instigate more violence.Good lord, is this stuff off the cuff or is it the product of deep thought...........??

    The effort to go forward with the 25th or to impeach is not calculated to anger trump supporters. The guy lied to the people about fraud, that he won the election and that he and they were cheated and the country was being stolen from them. It was all lies and the proof is in the failed lawsuits and brave Republicans, among others, standing up to the lies and trump's attempts at voter fraud and court rejections, the latest being a 6-3 SOTUS rejected him yet again. Trump lied, incited and acutally directed his followers to the Capital, speaking nonsense about being strong and being with them when he retreated to his room. Please. at least some sense of reality would be helpful.

    The were insurrectionists (violent uprising.attack against a government) and domestic terrorists. And should we let them scurry off with no consequences for their actions. Let the patriots stand boldly for their convictions.......or not it seems. Inflame? Sometimes a people must say 'this is wrong' and 'never again' 'this is not acceptable.' In the word of the trumps, "lock them up (but first find, arrest, charge and do it all legally - unlike these terroritst who believe the Liar in Chief.

    Here's an idea, if these 'rioters' believe they were right and they don't want to further inflame and came more anger, let then own their actions, surrender to the appropriate police force and defend their actions in a trial. Have some brass and don't run away like cowards. And the same goes for rioters on the left and if either side does not: go after them with legal warrants, if necessary break their doors down, sadly scaring the hell out of their families (but that is on the idiot rioter), arrest, jail, charge and bring them to trial. Let's see these 'patriots' actually be brave and do something to douse the flames and overcome the anger.
    Last edited by thormas; 01-11-2021, 04:50 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by thormas View Post

      I disagree: Biden never sounds angry unless it is justifiable anger over, for example, trump ignoring his duties during the raging Covid uptick of late or Russian hacking, and Biden's anger is on behalf of the people.

      I think he has the character and I don't think he has handlers but a team that will work with him. Time will tell.
      Even his anger sounds scripted.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        Even his anger sounds scripted.
        Oh sparky is that all you have? At least make the discussion worthwhile:+{

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        • #34
          Here's an idea if we want to avoid anger and inflaming others: let a sitting Republican VP supported by Republicans in Congress (and Dems and Independents) invoke the 25th. Then again they wanted to hang Pence so that might really inflame and anger them if he acts and god knows what these 'patriots' would do but, no worries, we wouldn't want to make them even more angry by arresting them for any deaths or executions or beatings.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by seanD View Post

            Or he's pandering to far leftist dupes who believe liberal millionaires and billionaires are going to bring them a socialist uptopia.
            Yep. Low information liberals think the wealthy elite are going to share their wealth with us when they're mainly going to share it with each other.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              Yep. Low information liberals think the wealthy elite are going to share their wealth with us when they're mainly going to share it with each other.
              The fact this old school political establishment pro-segregationist clown brings up race so blatantly couldn't be anymore obvious he's pandering to them. Thing is, I honestly don't believe FF really believes he's not, which makes him so insidious.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by thormas View Post

                I disagree: Biden never sounds angry unless it is justifiable anger over, for example, trump ignoring his duties during the raging Covid uptick of late or Russian hacking, and Biden's anger is on behalf of the people.

                I think he has the character and I don't think he has handlers but a team that will work with him. Time will tell.
                Or when someone dares to question him. Then he gets right in their face wagging his finger cussing at them and yelling "I DON'T WORK FOR YOU!"


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                And then his handlers quickly grab him and hustle him out of the room





                Or getting pissed at another voter saying, "Look, fat... look, here’s the deal" and then bizarrely challenged him to a push up contest.

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                His handlers claimed he said "facts" not "fat" but that isn't credible in that right before that he said "By the way that’s why you’re -- I’m not sedentary,
                I don’t, I get up and” at which point he stopped."



                Considering his expressed fantasies about punching political opponents in the mouth or "beat[ing] the hell out of them" one can only imagine how out of control he would be if he faced a press core a tenth as hostile to him as they were to Trump day in and day out. Or a foreign dignitary with instructions to push his buttons when they're in public in order to provoke a violent reaction.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Or when someone dares to question him. Then he gets right in their face wagging his finger cussing at them and yelling "I DON'T WORK FOR YOU!" [CENTER]
                  And then his handlers quickly grab him and hustle him out of the room
                  Considering his expressed fantasies about punching political opponents in the mouth or "beat[ing] the hell out of them" one can only imagine how out of control he would be if he faced a press core a tenth as hostile to him as they were to Trump day in and day out. Or a foreign dignitary with instructions to push his buttons when they're in public in order to provoke a violent reaction.
                  Like I said, except for a few times :+} However, as someone pointed out yesterday, even Jesus and Paul got - let's call it abrupt or short, at times. So on that measurement Joe is in good company. But I can't remember the details of the confrontations but I like a feisty 78 year old guy who challenges another guy to push ups (reminds me of Jack Palance).

                  Now if only trump has so called handlers (but I don't see anyone pulling Joe back) but then he thought he, not Juliet, was the Sun and suffered no others :_{

                  Plus come on, he was the only one with the brass to say that about trump (who ridiculously respond in kind although we all know that a Delaware kid could kick the stuffings out of that pampered fool) and Cruz was a total patsy given what thump said about his father and how many other R candidates just took it. Not Joe............which will work in favor of American when confronting dictators, Putin,and the rest - unlike Putin's lap boy, trump.

                  Go Joe!!!!
                  Last edited by thormas; 01-11-2021, 06:32 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by thormas View Post
                    Like I said, except for a few times :+}
                    Actually you never said "except for a few times". Instead you said

                    Biden never sounds angry unless it is justifiable anger over, for example, trump ignoring his duties during the raging Covid uptick of late or Russian hacking, and Biden's anger is on behalf of the people.


                    And these weren't anything like supposed justifiable examples you offered. Instead they were when voters had the temerity to challenge him. That's when he loses it.

                    Moreover, he was so rarely out in public where things like this took place. And usually at only very well scripted events. This was what happens when everything isn't set up in advance. From March until the last week in August Biden hid in the basement making no in-person speeches or campaign appearances. That was nearly half a year!

                    IOW, when you are so very rarely in public a few times is actually a lot.

                    Originally posted by thormas View Post
                    However, as someone pointed out even yesterday that even Jesus and Paul got -, let's call it abrupt, at times. So on that measurement Joe is in good company.
                    And now you reverse gears and start making excuses for his explosive temper.

                    And to paraphrase the late Lloyd Bentsen, "I know Jesus. Jesus is a friend of mine. Mr. Biden, you're no Jesus Christ."

                    Originally posted by thormas View Post
                    But I can't remember the details of the confrontations but I like a feisty 78 year old guy who challenges another guy to push ups (reminds me of Jack Palance).
                    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                    I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if Trump had said it.



                    Originally posted by thormas View Post
                    Plus cone on, he was the only one with the brass to say that about trump (who ridiculously respond in kind although we all know that a Delaware kid could kick the stuffings out of that pampers fool)
                    And now you're rationalizing his desire to commit physical assault. Come on man.

                    But then old Joe is nothing but hot air. Even long time friends admitted his Corn Pop story was B.S.[1]

                    Originally posted by thormas View Post
                    Not Joe............which will work in favor of American when confronting dictators, Putin, China and the rest - unlike Putin's lap boy, trump.
                    Good one.

                    Oh. You were serious.

                    And btw, now that Trump lost the election even CNN has finally admitted that Trump was tough on Russia and Putin. CNN host Fareed Zakaria called it "the dirty little secret about the Trump Administration" saying that "the Trump Administration was pretty tough on the Russians. They armed Ukraine, they armed the Poles. They extended NATO operations and exercises in ways that even the Obama Administration had not done. They maintained the sanctions."

                    Of course that was no secret for anyone who actually bothered to check the record rather mindlessly regurgitating what the MSM spoon fed them.

                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Trump would say nice things in public about Putin and Russia while doing things that infuriated them[1] For instance
                    • accused Russia of deploying land-based cruise missiles saying that they violated the "spirit and intent" of the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty -- something Obama refused to do.
                    • bombed Syria's Shayrat Airbase (Russia's allies) when they used chemical weapons in 2017.
                    • again bombed Syrian forces in 2018 killing over 200 Russian "mercenaries".
                    • tried to get Merkel to stop importing natural gas from Russia which would deal a serious blow to the Russian economy.
                    • sent weapons, including a bunch of anti-tank missiles, and not just blankets and well-wishes to Ukraine so they can fight the Russians.
                    • facilitated the sale of more coal to energy-strapped Ukraine
                    • sent Patriot missiles to Poland which had been begging for them for years.
                    • shifted a couple thousand U.S. troops from bases in Western Europe to Poland, which while largely symbolic, infuriated the Russians just like selling them the anti-missile defense systems did.
                    • like with Poland, Trump supplied the Baltic States of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania with arms and training along with money to help them prevent Russian cyber attacks, again pissing off the Russians who think of those countries as theirs.
                    • imposed stricter sanctions[2] than those initially called for by Congress including imposing sanctions on Ramzan Kadyrov, a close Putin ally.
                    • ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats and closure of Russian consulate in Seattle in response to Russia's poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal (Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov declared that the expulsion of the total of 153 Russian diplomats by 28 countries was the result of the Trump Administration "blackmailing" other nations).
                    • sanctioned four Russian entities and seven individuals in response to their attempt to interfere in U.S. midterm elections, including Russian financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin, known as "Putin's chef" because he has his hands in so many pies
                    • approved sanctions placed on builders of the Nord Stream 2 Russia-to-Germany gas pipelines.

                    A Brookings Institute analysis of the Trump Administration's record with Russia published a year ago found it had taken 52 actions against the Russians, both severe and minor, but try and tell that to the cognitively challenged TDS crowd





                    1. Anyone familiar with his Art of the Deal would know that is how he has always operated

                    2. to be fair this has been a bit of a mixed bag in that earlier Trump expressed reluctance about enforcing some sanctions that he had signed into law. But in the end his placing harsher economic restrictions on Russian oligarchs (more than just Skripal) close to Putin hurt the latter enormously. Putin is thought to have illegally amassed tens of billions of dollars, but he can't hold all that wealth in his own name, so he appointed his oligarch cronies to be his trustees. Sanctioning his buddies was effectively putting sanctions on Putin himself





                    1 "Corn Pop" was a leader of a local gang who traded words with Biden a few times at the pool where Biden was a lifeguard letting kids rub his legs, but people from that time said that he settled disputes with either his fists or through basketball matches -- and not with razors as Biden had claimed. In fact, one of Biden's good friends from the time, Richard "Mouse" Smith, laughed off the idea that the situation might have escalated saying that he told Biden he had little to fear because Corn Pop was mostly talk.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rogue
                      And now you reverse gears and start making excuses for his explosive temper.
                      What's worse, he's likening Biden to not only Paul, but Jesus!

                      That's blasphemy in my book.


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Actually you never said "except for a few times". Instead you said
                        .
                        Humor my friend, humor. You really have to lighten up.......it was humor.

                        And, smack talking trump was not a rationalization since I never took it seriously (and trump did respond in kind, correct) but Joe could take him on his worst day. Come on, trump is a powder puff.

                        No, I definitely think they were justified and I admire his restraint when he began to call the guy 'fat' and stopped himself. The country only wishes that trump has such restraint. And now you're on a guy for following scientific and medical advise, wearing a mask, and distancing himself and be organized enough to know his talking points. Plus his basement was his office, so he was working out of his office like so many Americans. And who got Covid" Now let me see, Biden and/or his wife? No, it was the trumpeter and his family: trump who never wore a mask and was out and about, ignoring medical/scientific advise and not giving a hoot about anyone. Who got Covid? Oh yeah trump :+} who actually did hide in the basement (bunker) but he got fair warning something he didn't give Congress and his own VP when he let the dogs out. OOPS!

                        Explosive temper - please. What we have to worry about for a few more days is the trumpeter unhinged, plotting and snorting in the WH -all but abandoned by ......everyone. Biden will be calm as a cucumber :+} Can't wait for normalcy.

                        Actually Lloyd was talking about politicians and Jesus was no politician but no one said Biden was Jesus - it was an analogy not an identification. They both lost their tempers. That's all, no miracles, no wonders performed. But god he is more Christ-like (temper and all) then that trump guy.

                        Actually didn't Joe kick Putin's behind before whereas the trumpeter only caressed it :+} No contest and it will be nice to have a President who knows what a dictator is and actually stand up for soldiers, (no more losers and suckers on Biden's watch). Oh what a relief it will be. I was as serious as trump's 2nd impeachment. Sure trump was weak on Russia except when it counted, face to face and about American soldiers, hacking, election interference - yeah real tough.

                        Hey I thought you guys thought CNN was part of the MSM - trump certainly did.

                        Butl, that cuts it, no more watching CNN - except that I don't :+}
                        Last edited by thormas; 01-11-2021, 07:35 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                          What's worse, he's likening Biden to not only Paul, but Jesus!

                          That's blasphemy in my book.
                          Of course it is but then everything is for you. You really have to stop with the blasphemy charges since it is your go-to reaction and no one takes it seriously any more...........but did they ever ? :+{

                          And, btw, as said above, it is analogy not identification. And it is historically correct, Paul, Jesus and Biden lost their tempers on rare occasion.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by thormas View Post

                            Of course it is but then everything is for you. You really have to stop with the blasphemy charges since it is your go-to reaction and no one takes it seriously any more...........but did they ever ? :+{

                            And, btw, as said above, it is analogy not identification. And it is historically correct, Paul, Jesus and Biden lost their tempers on rare occasion.

                            I'm sorry. Did I hurt your widdle feelings by saying you blasphemed? Poor baby. Maybe you should be more careful what you say.

                            Please show me where blasphemy is "everything" to me. Go on, prove your statement. Find ALL the times I've said that and post them.

                            P.S. Try to stop using your little smiley face stuff a dozen times in every post. It's quite annoying.


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post


                              I'm sorry. Did I hurt your widdle feelings by saying you blasphemed? Poor baby. Maybe you should be more careful what you say.
                              I feel this kind of taunting tone is unnecessary.

                              P.S. Try to stop using your little smiley face stuff a dozen times in every post. It's quite annoying.
                              This I do agree with.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                                I feel this kind of taunting tone is unnecessary.
                                This better?




                                This I do agree with.




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