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  • #16
    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    Or he's pandering to far leftist dupes who believe liberal millionaires and billionaires are going to bring them a socialist uptopia.
    Not realizing that they'll simply stop investing their money here and either send it elsewhere to a more tax/investment friendly country or just sit on it as Democrats do what Democrats do[1]

    The U.S. had the second highest corporate tax rate in the world in 2017 until Trump brought it down to close to the median average. That resulted in American companies returning some of their profits held overseas after President Trump cut corporate taxes for the first time in 31 years -- although it was only a fraction of the estimated $3 trillion that is parked overseas in places like the Bahamas, Bermuda, and the Cayman Islands (which offer 0% corporate tax rates) as well as several European countries like Hungary, Ireland, and Liechtenstein (which have rates between 9 to 12.5% -- about half of what it currently is in the U.S.). In fact Europe as a whole, is the region with the lowest corporate tax rate being something like 19.35%.




    1. They love to claim that they'll cut income taxes for the poor and middle class but very few realize that now nearly 47% pay no federal income taxes at all so they can expect to be getting nothing more back because they didn't pay anything in the first place. IOW, if you get everything you paid in income taxes back at the end of the year (have zero income tax burden) then those who promise to increase it by x percent are essentially offering to multiply by zero -- which means it remains at zero.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #17
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

      No doubt you recall that the booming economy pre-covid was set on course by the magnificent Obama. Your guy took a lot of credit for other people’s hard work.

      What are the farmers saying about their prospects?
      IIRC, the biggest boom was in his last three months in office when everyone knew that the days of his stifling policies were about over. Policies that turned what should have been a two year recovery into a nearly eight year long one.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        I've watched Fox News the last few days -- I had quit watching for a while -- and I don't see this type of attitude at all. Perhaps people like you shouldn't be fueling the fire with your constant extreme left vitriol.
        It would be hard for them to start yet since Biden hasn't taken office.

        You demonstrate yourself to be the problem with America in threads like this. Your posts make pretty clear that Bidens not gonna succeed at uniting with you​​​​ however hard be tries, cos your gonna refuse to be united. Your false labelling of me as "extreme left" only reinforces that.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          It would be hard for them to start yet since Biden hasn't taken office.

          You demonstrate yourself to be the problem with America in threads like this. Your posts make pretty clear that Bidens not gonna succeed at uniting with you​​​​ however hard be tries, cos your gonna refuse to be united. Your false labelling of me as "extreme left" only reinforces that.
          Let us know what The Young Turks tells you to think about what is going on

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            They love to claim that they'll cut income taxes for the poor and middle class but very few realize that now nearly 47% pay no federal income taxes at all
            Do you think children and retirees ought​​ to pay income taxes? You wanna introduce slave labor in schools and tax the income generated? Maybe retirement homes should be turned into knitting manufacturies so they can produce income that can be taxed?

            Also you're ignoring payroll taxes in that statistic. If you include payroll taxes too then you find only 18% of households pay neither income nor payroll taxes, and more than half of those are retirees.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Do you think children and retirees ought​​ to pay income taxes? You wanna introduce slave labor in schools and tax the income generated? Maybe retirement homes should be turned into knitting manufacturies so they can produce income that can be taxed?

              Also you're ignoring payroll taxes in that statistic. If you include payroll taxes too then you find only 18% of households pay neither income nor payroll taxes, and more than half of those are retirees.
              Do The Young Turks tell you that children work in the U.S? Here's a clue for you, you have to have an income to pay an income tax. When I say 47% don't pay federal income taxes I mean of people who are working

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Let us know what The Young Turks tells you to think about what is going on
                I prefer The Majority Report to TYT.

                Incidentally, The Majority Report does actually have an extreme leftist as one of the commentators. She's an "anarcho-communist" and member of the democratic-socialists and considers herself part of antifa. I agree with her approximately 0% of the time, but it's useful for me to not be in a bubble and make sure I hear an extreme left viewpoint occasionally to challenge my boringly mundane social democrat views.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  When I say 47% don't pay federal income taxes I mean of people who are working
                  You're ignorantly repeating Romney's false decade-old long-debunked claim. When I googled it I got pages of links debunking it, which was where the data in my previous post came from. Try googling things yourself occasionally, then maybe you wouldn't be wrong in every single post and claim you make.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    I'll go first, answering the question -- I don't think Biden has it in him.

                    A real statesman, as POTUS, could use the bully pulpit to try to bring sanity and unity to our nation.

                    This is NOT a "blame Trump" thread, so no OMB nonsense here.

                    I have often done work in crisis management and problem resolution, and have been called on to bring order where chaos has reigned -- mostly in Churches, but also in a number of businesses.

                    The first order of business is to call for all of the moderates on both sides (assuming there are any) to work together to bring peace.
                    Along with that, you appeal to the extremes to moderate their actions, and call for the voice of reason.

                    I believe that's what Biden SHOULD do --- but I don't believe he has the character.
                    OR, maybe his handlers won't let him.

                    When he speaks, he sounds angry and accusative..... what we need is a STATESMAN.

                    I don't think Joe has it in him.
                    I don't think he is healthy enough.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      I think the goal of Biden and the democrats is not to bring us together but to instigate more violence by the right by marginalizing and demonizing them as much as possible. There is nothing as dangerous as a cornered dog, and eventually it will bite back. I think that is what they are after. Trying to impeach Trump with only a few days to go is a calculated move to anger his supporters more, hoping they will respond. Allowing the cancel culture to silence conservative voices also serves to anger them. Calling them "insurrectionists" and "terrorists" inflames things further. None of this is being done to calm the people or bring us together. It is meant to inflame. I think their hope is that if Trump supporters attack again, they will have a mandate to shut down all conservatives, limit free speech and maybe go further.

                      This is scary stuff. I was just reading a story about how Nazi Germany started up (someone on facebook was actually trying to use it to claim it sounded like Trump) and I see some frightening parallels.



                      Fire in the Reichstag: a first step towards the dictatorship

                      Before long, Hitler claimed more power. The fire in the Reichstag, the parliament building, was a key moment in this development. On 27 February 1933, guards noticed the flames blazing through the roof. They overpowered the suspected arsonist, a Dutch communist named Marinus van der Lubbe. He was executed after a show trial in 1934. Evidence of any accomplices was never found.
                      The Nazi leadership was quick to arrive at the scene. An eyewitness said that upon seeing the fire, Göring called out: ‘This is the beginning of the Communist revolt, they will start their attack now! Not a moment must be lost!' Before he could go on, Hitler shouted: 'There will be no mercy now. Anyone who stands in our way will be cut down.’
                      The next morning, President Von Hindenburg promulgated the Reichstag Fire Decree. It formed the basis for the dictatorship. The civil rights of the German people were curtailed. Freedom of expression was no longer a matter of course and the police could arbitrarily search houses and arrest people. The political opponents of the Nazis were essentially outlawed.

                      https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-fr...JAyOYudjqqxv0I

                      Doesn't the riot in the Capitol sound like the "Fire in the Reichstag?" The democrats are using that as an excuse to grab power and demonize conservatives. Curtailing free speech, cancelling conservative apps and accounts.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Do you think children and retirees ought​​ to pay income taxes? You wanna introduce slave labor in schools and tax the income generated? Maybe retirement homes should be turned into knitting manufacturies so they can produce income that can be taxed?

                        Also you're ignoring payroll taxes in that statistic. If you include payroll taxes too then you find only 18% of households pay neither income nor payroll taxes, and more than half of those are retirees.
                        In my state, retirement income is taxed by the state. It was some strange circumstance but I remember one year when I was under 18, I had to file income taxes.
                        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I think the goal of Biden and the democrats is not to bring us together but to instigate more violence by the right by marginalizing and demonizing them as much as possible. There is nothing as dangerous as a cornered dog, and eventually it will bite back. I think that is what they are after. Trying to impeach Trump with only a few days to go is a calculated move to anger his supporters more, hoping they will respond. Allowing the cancel culture to silence conservative voices also serves to anger them. Calling them "insurrectionists" and "terrorists" inflames things further. None of this is being done to calm the people or bring us together. It is meant to inflame. I think their hope is that if Trump supporters attack again, they will have a mandate to shut down all conservatives, limit free speech and maybe go further.

                          This is scary stuff. I was just reading a story about how Nazi Germany started up (someone on facebook was actually trying to use it to claim it sounded like Trump) and I see some frightening parallels.



                          Fire in the Reichstag: a first step towards the dictatorship

                          Before long, Hitler claimed more power. The fire in the Reichstag, the parliament building, was a key moment in this development. On 27 February 1933, guards noticed the flames blazing through the roof. They overpowered the suspected arsonist, a Dutch communist named Marinus van der Lubbe. He was executed after a show trial in 1934. Evidence of any accomplices was never found.
                          The Nazi leadership was quick to arrive at the scene. An eyewitness said that upon seeing the fire, Göring called out: ‘This is the beginning of the Communist revolt, they will start their attack now! Not a moment must be lost!' Before he could go on, Hitler shouted: 'There will be no mercy now. Anyone who stands in our way will be cut down.’
                          The next morning, President Von Hindenburg promulgated the Reichstag Fire Decree. It formed the basis for the dictatorship. The civil rights of the German people were curtailed. Freedom of expression was no longer a matter of course and the police could arbitrarily search houses and arrest people. The political opponents of the Nazis were essentially outlawed.

                          https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-fr...JAyOYudjqqxv0I

                          Doesn't the riot in the Capitol sound like the "Fire in the Reichstag?" The democrats are using that as an excuse to grab power and demonize conservatives. Curtailing free speech, cancelling conservative apps and accounts.
                          Only there are credible folks suggesting the fire was a false flag (intentionally coordinated by the nazis to further their agenda).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            I'll go first, answering the question -- I don't think Biden has it in him.

                            A real statesman, as POTUS, could use the bully pulpit to try to bring sanity and unity to our nation.

                            This is NOT a "blame Trump" thread, so no OMB nonsense here.

                            I have often done work in crisis management and problem resolution, and have been called on to bring order where chaos has reigned -- mostly in Churches, but also in a number of businesses.

                            The first order of business is to call for all of the moderates on both sides (assuming there are any) to work together to bring peace.
                            Along with that, you appeal to the extremes to moderate their actions, and call for the voice of reason.

                            I believe that's what Biden SHOULD do --- but I don't believe he has the character.
                            OR, maybe his handlers won't let him.

                            When he speaks, he sounds angry and accusative..... what we need is a STATESMAN.

                            I don't think Joe has it in him.
                            Joe is his handlers, I think. Joe doesn't have it in him, but can his handlers keep him coherent and lucid? It looks like he will stay hidden, that should help them.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Maranatha View Post

                              Joe is his handlers, I think. Joe doesn't have it in him, but can his handlers keep him coherent and lucid? It looks like he will stay hidden, that should help them.
                              They could use the example that old Joe will not be like Trump who kept putting himself to into the front and center of everything but will instead be less confrontational and more low key. That way they can keep him largely under wraps until when his handlers feel confident that he's in a more lucid stage he can make a quick appearance and then back into the basement he goes.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                I'll go first, answering the question -- I don't think Biden has it in him.

                                A real statesman, as POTUS, could use the bully pulpit to try to bring sanity and unity to our nation.

                                This is NOT a "blame Trump" thread, so no OMB nonsense here.

                                I have often done work in crisis management and problem resolution, and have been called on to bring order where chaos has reigned -- mostly in Churches, but also in a number of businesses.

                                The first order of business is to call for all of the moderates on both sides (assuming there are any) to work together to bring peace.
                                Along with that, you appeal to the extremes to moderate their actions, and call for the voice of reason.

                                I believe that's what Biden SHOULD do --- but I don't believe he has the character.
                                OR, maybe his handlers won't let him.

                                When he speaks, he sounds angry and accusative..... what we need is a STATESMAN.

                                I don't think Joe has it in him.
                                I disagree: Biden never sounds angry unless it is justifiable anger over, for example, trump ignoring his duties during the raging Covid uptick of late or Russian hacking, and Biden's anger is on behalf of the people.

                                I think he has the character and I don't think he has handlers but a team that will work with him. Time will tell.

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