Did Trump Cause An Insurrection?

[Bill the Cat]

Do you consider the events of last Wednesday to have been either lawful and/or peaceful?

Depends. There were upwards of a hundred thousand people there at the capitol. Most estimates say a few dozen actually breached the building itself, and most of them were not destructive. So, generally speaking, the event was peaceful and lawful. The actions of a sparse few were not. Those people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Was the mock gallows outside on the plaza with the crude graffiti just innocent amusement?

Yes.

Was beating a police officer a bit of a giggle?

No, but 100,000 people didn't do that. A few dozen did.

What do you think would have happened to the Democrat politicians [or Pence] if that mob had got to them?

Absolutely nothing. And a few dozen people a mob does not make.

As I said, your histrionics are laughable. The loaded words being used to blow up this act of stupidity by a handful of morons to a full Civil War is pathetic.

[oxmixmudd]

Wow.... all 600 THOUSAND of them, right?

No one has claimed anything more than thousands involved in rushing the capitol itself - and that number is easily verified just by counting the number on tge capitol steps and the area being prepared for the inauguration.

There were thousands up on the Capitol, perhaps hundreds that actually went in - but I've not seen an actual breakdown of those numbers. There are at least a hundred being pursued for prosecution.

Some of those thousands outside literally dragged capitol police downstairs and beat them with flagpoles and hockey sticks. Some of those perhaps hundreds storming into the Capitol itself where chanting "hang mike pence" and directly seeking vengeance on Nancy Pelosi. They crushed one officer who didn't die from his injuries during the rush to get in. They killed another.

They roamed the capitol and broke into nearly every office seeking senators and congressmen. Some of them were carrying restraints. They damaged property and desicrated offices - excrement and urine found in various places throughout.

Bombs were planted elsewhere in what looks to be a failed attempt at diversion, to pull security forces away from the capitol.

A van full of molotov cocktails filled with homemade napalm was also found nearby.

[Cow Poke]

No one has claimed anything more than thousands involved in rushing the capitol itself - and that number is easily verified just by counting the number on tge capitol steps and the area being prepared for the inauguration.

There were thousands up on the Capitol, perhaps hundreds that actually went in - but I've not seen an actual breakdown of those numbers. There are at least a hundred being pursued for prosecution.

Some of those thousands outside literally dragged capitol police downstairs and beat them with flagpoles and hockey sticks. Some of those pthosed hundreds storming into the Capitol itself where chanting "hang mike pence". They crushed one officer who didn't die from his injuries during the rush to get in. They killed another.

I thought we had agreed not to respond to each other, Jim.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Depends. There were upwards of a hundred thousand people there at the capitol. Most estimates say a few dozen actually breached the building itself, and most of them were not destructive. So, generally speaking, the event was peaceful and lawful. The actions of a sparse few were not. Those people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.



Yes.



No, but 100,000 people didn't do that. A few dozen did.



Absolutely nothing. And a few dozen people a mob does not make.

As I said, your histrionics are laughable. The loaded words being used to blow up this act of stupidity by a handful of morons to a full Civil War is pathetic.

Perhaps my television images were fake news but this does not look like a few dozen people.



And nor does this.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Did I claim you did?

Then why refer to "600 THOUSAND of them, right?"

Or were you having a "senior moment"?

[Cow Poke]

Then why refer to "600 THOUSAND of them, right?"

Or were you having a "senior moment"?

Let's go with BtC's figure of 100,000 - and his point, as well.

And ALL my "moments" are senior!

[Bill the Cat]

Perhaps my television images were fake news but this does not look like a few dozen people.



And nor does this.

They were not inside the building. They breached the temporary fence in the courtyard, but very few actually entered the building itself, and even fewer caused damage.

[oxmixmudd]

Your histrionics are laughable.

Your implicit support for those that stormed the capitol by downplaying its severity and seriousness is an embrassment to all that love this great nation, and a blight on this website being you are not just some passerby.

[Bill the Cat]

I thought we had agreed not to respond to each other, Jim.

Maybe one day he'll learn to not bother replying to me because I am just ignoring whatever he has to say.

[Cow Poke]

Maybe one day he'll learn to not bother replying to me because I am just ignoring whatever he has to say.

I'm beginning to think he honestly can't remember what he said to whom.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

They were not inside the building. They breached the temporary fence in the courtyard, but very few actually entered the building itself, and even fewer caused damage.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Let me guess, the rest of them were all off to take afternoon tea somewhere.

[Cow Poke]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Let me guess, the rest of them were all off to take afternoon tea somewhere.

No, we whooped the British so we didn't have to do that.

[Esther]

That would be a very, very narrow view of what makes a president 'great'. He is also the very first American president to disavow a peaceful transfer of power - at least until after the unrest that created caused an insurrection. The first president to refuse to formally concede the election after the legal challenges were exhausted. The first president to, whether accidental or on purpose, foment an insurrection of any sort, let alone one which stormed the capitol. He has done more harm in a single term to the stability of our democracy since the Civil War. He has done more to undermine the unity of democratic nations against nations like China and Russia since wwII. He is the first president to be impeached twice - the second time by the most bi-partisan impeachment vote ever. And to top it off, his direct actions and policies have killed the most Americans of any president in a single year due to gross negligence during the covid 19 pandemic.

This is MSM propaganda. One of the best things I have learnt is that there is such a thing as MSM and that many people are brainwashed by it. I was deceived by the MSM as far as the pandemic was concerned and thought we were all going to suffer and die by the millions.
Thank God I came to this forum and read and learnt many things.

Still, as a Christian it is impossible for me to in any way support the ungodly people and policies of the liberal left wing democrats and the MSM.

[Bill the Cat]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Let me guess, the rest of them were all off to take afternoon tea somewhere.

So, guilt by association.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

No, we whooped the British so we didn't have to do that.

With a little help from those "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys"!