Arnold has a message ....

[mossrose]

Wow, so the fellows yelling hang mike pence, going after Pelosi by name , and carrying zip ties to hold captives is just OK? Had they succeeded, the VP might well be dead, and Pelosi. They certainly were threatening that. And whether or not Trump would became hitlers equal is not my implication or my point.. I'm not even sure if the stunt had succeeded that he'd have even retained the presidencyvafter all was said and done - but with Pelosi and Pence out of the picture and a bunch of spineless republican senators on board with it all, we may well have had complete failure of our government.

You said, and I quote:

As for the correlation between crystallnacht and the assault on the Capitol- they are not nearly as far apart as you think.. The major difference is Trump failed wheras Hitler succeeded. But had Trump succeeded there can be little doubt what would have followed.

You blatantly compared Trump to Hitler aside from the fact that "Trump failed wheras (sic) Hitler succeeded". You have "little doubt" that if Trump had succeeded the following events, whatever they might be in your fevered imagination, would equal the evil that Hitler did.

You aren't allowed to backtrack now and claim that that wasn't your implication when it clearly was. So, concentration and death camps and mass graves full of the bones of Democrats are already laid on Trump's back. By YOU.

[Mountain Man]

You said, and I quote:

As for the correlation between crystallnacht and the assault on the Capitol- they are not nearly as far apart as you think.. The major difference is Trump failed wheras Hitler succeeded. But had Trump succeeded there can be little doubt what would have followed.

You blatantly compared Trump to Hitler aside from the fact that "Trump failed wheras (sic) Hitler succeeded". You have "little doubt" that if Trump had succeeded the following events, whatever they might be in your fevered imagination, would equal the evil that Hitler did.

You aren't allowed to backtrack now and claim that that wasn't your implication when it clearly was. So, concentration and death camps and mass graves full of the bones of Democrats are already laid on Trump's back. By YOU.

I don't have the time or energy to dig through previous posts, but this isn't the first time ox has explicitly and unambiguously likened President Trump to Hitler and then tried to walk it back.

[mossrose]

I don't have the time or energy to dig through previous posts, but this isn't the first time ox has explicitly and unambiguously likened President Trump to Hitler and then tried to walk it back.

I know. I can't be bothered to find those either. He'll just continue to deny that he ever said anything like that. He'll somehow, in his mind, justify and spin his own words so they don't say what they actually say.

This one was right here, though, so it was easy to grab.

[rogue06]

Sorry Ox, but you can't just post propoganda in a Civics thread and then ban any debate. Go get a blog somewhere if that is what you want. Civics is a debate area.

Arnold's comparison of the Capitol break-in with Kristallnacht is completely off base. Kristallnacht was an attack on the Jews BY the Government and civilians, burning and destroying their homes and businesses. Not an attack on government by people. If he wanted to compare something in the USA with Kristallnacht, it would be the summer of 2020 where liberals attacked businesses and homes all accross the country, breaking glass, looting, destroying businesses, killing people, with cheering on by the Democrats in office.

Given that Der Ah-nold's father was literally a Nazi, who had voluntarily joined the Austrian National Socialist Party before Germany had annexed Austria, it is no surprise that his understanding about things like Kristallnacht is a bit "confused" and muddied at best.

Source: Austrian Archives Reveal Nazi Military Role of Actor’s Father

In July 1990, following news reports that his father was a Nazi, movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger approached his friends at the Simon Wiesenthal Center and asked that they find the truth.

"I don’t know much about my father’s past," Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Wiesenthal Center, recalled Schwarzenegger’s telling him. "I don’t know if it’s good or bad, and I’d like you to find out."

Asking the Wiesenthal Center to handle the investigation was a logical choice: The center, named after the famed Nazi hunter, had the resources to conduct such a probe. And it was an institution that Schwarzenegger had financially backed over the years.

After a two-month investigation, in which Simon Wiesenthal was involved, the verdict was in: Gustav Schwarzenegger was indeed a member of the Nazi party; he voluntarily applied for membership in 1938. But there was no evidence that he was a war criminal. Nor had the Wiesenthal Center found any evidence that the senior Schwarzenegger belonged to any of Germany’s notorious paramilitary units, such as the Sturmabteilungen (SA) or the Schutzstaffel (SS), which were populated by some of Adolf Hitler’s most ardent supporters.


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Since that time it has been learned that his father, Gutav, had indeed tried to join the Sturmabteilungen (SA) on May 1, 1939 but apparently wasn't accepted. IOW, he was indeed a true believer in the Nazi cause.

[oxmixmudd]

Given that Der Ah-nold's father was literally a Nazi, who had voluntarily joined the Austrian National Socialist Party before Germany had annexed Austria, it is no surprise that his understanding about things like Kristallnacht is a bit "confused" and muddied at best.

Source: Austrian Archives Reveal Nazi Military Role of Actor’s Father

In July 1990, following news reports that his father was a Nazi, movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger approached his friends at the Simon Wiesenthal Center and asked that they find the truth.

"I don’t know much about my father’s past," Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Wiesenthal Center, recalled Schwarzenegger’s telling him. "I don’t know if it’s good or bad, and I’d like you to find out."

Asking the Wiesenthal Center to handle the investigation was a logical choice: The center, named after the famed Nazi hunter, had the resources to conduct such a probe. And it was an institution that Schwarzenegger had financially backed over the years.

After a two-month investigation, in which Simon Wiesenthal was involved, the verdict was in: Gustav Schwarzenegger was indeed a member of the Nazi party; he voluntarily applied for membership in 1938. But there was no evidence that he was a war criminal. Nor had the Wiesenthal Center found any evidence that the senior Schwarzenegger belonged to any of Germany’s notorious paramilitary units, such as the Sturmabteilungen (SA) or the Schutzstaffel (SS), which were populated by some of Adolf Hitler’s most ardent supporters.


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Since that time it has been learned that his father, Gutav, had indeed tried to join the Sturmabteilungen (SA) on May 1, 1939 but apparently wasn't accepted. IOW, he was indeed a true believer in the Nazi cause.

Yeah - I would guess that of the children born in 1947 in Austria or Germany - a rather good number of them had fathers that were Nazi's. Woudn't you?

[rogue06]

Yeah - I would guess that of the children born in 1947 in Austria or Germany - a rather good number of them had fathers that were Nazi's. Woudn't you?

Many Austrians might have felt it necessary to do so in order to get a good job or promotion. Sort of like how a lot of Russians tried to join the Communist Party back in the days of the U.S.S.R.

But Arnold's father joined before the Germans took over Austria and became the dominant, controlling force. And he tried to join the S.A., which only the fanatics belonged to. This is an indicator that he was a true believer in the Nazi's beliefs and ideals and not just someone trying to jump on the band wagon.

[Maranatha]

This isn't a debate thread. I just wanted to make the readers here aware of an incredible exhortation to all of us from Arnold Schwartzenegger, former Republican governor of California.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Schwarzen...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Sorry, I don't pay any attention to silly accented Austrians.

The last thing I remember from Awwwwwnold is...."let da people have da air" from one of his bad movies.