The Microchip in the Vaccine

[Cow Poke]

It seems that the Wisconsin pharmacist who spoiled 500 vaccine doses by leaving them out of the refrigerator is a conspiracy theorist who did this because he believed the vaccine contains microchips that would change people's DNA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ities-n1252770

Lord help us!

[Reepicheep]

The headline of the following article says it all, so I don't think I need to comment further. I see no possibility that the United States will be able to avoid the upcoming fourth COVID wave.

20% of Americans believe government is injecting microchips in COVID-19 vaccines, survey finds

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/20...-survey-finds/

[Sparko]

The headline of the following article says it all, so I don't think I need to comment further. I see no possibility that the United States will be able to avoid the upcoming fourth COVID wave.

20% of Americans believe government is injecting microchips in COVID-19 vaccines, survey finds

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/20...-survey-finds/

reading in the body of the article,

Five percent of all respondents said the statement was “definitely true,” and 15% said it was “probably true.”

[Mountain Man]

The experimental vaccines are bad enough on their own without having to invent these conspiracy theories.

[NorrinRadd]

The experimental vaccines are bad enough on their own without having to invent these conspiracy theories.

I had originally planned to get the vax around June, assuming no significant reports of adverse effects. Even then, the long-term effects would have been unknowable apart from miraculous prophetic insight. But now I have no intention of getting it for several years, if ever. The more TPTB try to shame and coerce and intimidate, and shut down even inquiries, the more I'm convinced there are problems they know about and want to hide.

[Stoic]

I had originally planned to get the vax around June, assuming no significant reports of adverse effects. Even then, the long-term effects would have been unknowable apart from miraculous prophetic insight. But now I have no intention of getting it for several years, if ever. The more TPTB try to shame and coerce and intimidate, and shut down even inquiries, the more I'm convinced there are problems they know about and want to hide.

It would be quite ironic if their desire to keep as many people as possible from dying of covid-19 was what caused you to die of covid-19.

[oxmixmudd]

I had originally planned to get the vax around June, assuming no significant reports of adverse effects. Even then, the long-term effects would have been unknowable apart from miraculous prophetic insight. But now I have no intention of getting it for several years, if ever. The more TPTB try to shame and coerce and intimidate, and shut down even inquiries, the more I'm convinced there are problems they know about and want to hide.

It is unreasonable to expect you or I will ever be able to head off or protect ourselves from what truly evil people might want to do to us or others. But we do know that vaccines in general work, that this vaccine in general works, and that in this situation large numbers of people not getting this vaccine is in fact killing people and increasing the potential this virus will render the vaccine useless. Why not walk in love rather than the fear of what might be but can never be proven and just do what is good for others to the best of our understanding? Is that not, after all, what God requires of us? Does He not promise to be with us and to give His blessing to us if that is what we do?

[Mountain Man]

But we do know that vaccines in general work...

Typical argument, but we're not talking "vaccines in general", we're talking about very specific experimental vaccines that were rushed to market, have not been fully tested, and carry a disproportionately high rate of known serious short-term side effects and any number of unknown long-term side effects, and we are discovering that the vaccines may not actually prevent people from contracting the China flu and becoming seriously ill.

[oxmixmudd]

Typical argument, but we're not talking "vaccines in general", we're talking about very specific experimental vaccines that were rushed to market, have not been fully tested, and carry a disproportionately high rate of known serious short-term side effects and any number of unknown long-term side effects, and we are discovering that the vaccines may not actually prevent people from contracting the China flu and becoming seriously ill.

We know that this vaccine works as well. Where it is faltering now is directly the consequence of your own actions and thoughts on this issue, replicated millions of times around the country. Had we had 80% or more compliance by now, the Delta variant would be unlikely to be able to be pushing the case loads up like it is now. As such, we also know your concern over long term effects is in fact not rationally balanced against the real danger of the virus and its own KNOWN long term effects and capacity to mutate around the vaccine.

Your last sentence is simply incorrect. We have always known and watched for those that contract Covid-19 even though they have been vaccinated. The very fact these vaccine's efficacy rating was reported as some percentage less that 100% effect means we know and have always known that there are some that get covid anyway. that is what 95% effective means. It is also why, if we want to get rid of the virus, it is important for nearly everyone to get the vaccine. The virus can only survive if on average at least one person is infected for each one already infected. If that average goes below 1, the virus will die away and disappear. That means we need everyone vaccinated so that it just can't spread fast enough in the population to sustain itself.

It is also why having large areas with large populations that are unvaccinated is a problem. Because in that population the virus can spread and mutate. In many ways we would be better off to have uniform 75% compliance than 90% compliance in some areas and 30% compliance in others.

You have a responsibility to the nation and to those around you to quiet your fears and do what is best for all - get the vaccine. And to then encourage others to do the same.

[Cow Poke]

You have a responsibility to the nation and to those around you to quiet your fears and do what is best for all - get the vaccine.

Even against the advice of one's own doctor?

[oxmixmudd]

Even against the advice of one's own doctor?

Depends on why the advice was given. If a person has a known allergy or immune system anomaly that makes getting vaccines a bad idea - of course not. However, the fact such people exist is all the more reason why all those capable should get it, to protect those that legitimately can't.

If the advice is based on anti-vax sentiment, then yes, against the doctors advice. However, most people that have doctors with a strong anti-vax sentiment chose that doctor because of exactly that and are unlikely to get it anyway.

What about doctors that advise people that have already had covid not to be vaccinated? The data shows that the vaccines are safe and effective in those that have been infected, and that they do, in fact, boost the naturally acquired immunity. So personally I would not listen to that advice unless there were other contraindications wrt getting the vaccine, But clearly that is a much more complicated situation.

[Cow Poke]

Depends on why the advice was given.

Why? You said....

You have a responsibility to the nation and to those around you to quiet your fears and do what is best for all - get the vaccine. And to then encourage others to do the same.

Shouldn't I trust my doctor who knows me rather than some campaign to get everybody vaccinated regardless of their own individual condition?

And this "quiet your fears" comment assumes that's the reason for not getting vaccinated. There are other reasons.

If a person has a known allergy or immune system anomaly that makes getting vaccines a bad idea - of course not. However, the fact such people exist is all the more reason why all those capable should get it, to protect those that legitimately can't.

If the advice is based on anti-vax sentiment, then yes, against the doctors advice. However, most people that have doctors with a strong anti-vax sentiment chose that doctor because of exactly that and are unlikely to get it anyway.

What about doctors that advise people that have already had covid not to be vaccinated? The data shows that the vaccines are safe and effective in those that have been infected, and that they do, in fact, boost the naturally acquired immunity. So personally I would not listen to that advice unless there were other contraindications wrt getting the vaccine, But clearly that is a much more complicated situation.

So who gets to decide whether my doctor is right or wrong?

[oxmixmudd]

Why? You said....

You have a responsibility to the nation and to those around you to quiet your fears and do what is best for all - get the vaccine. And to then encourage others to do the same.

That is most certainly true in most cases wrt those that are refusing to get vaccinated. MM does not present the argument he is not getting vaccinated because he has had COVID and is thus already immune. A person that has had covid has been 'vaccinated', albeit against their will and perhaps less effectively than with the actual vaccine. The vaccine initiates the bodies natural immune response to the virus without getting the person infected with the virus itself.

But MM's arguments are related to fear of the vaccine itself, irrational fears that fanned and expanded are killing people. And yes, everyone has a responsibility to get vaccinated if they can, with perhaps some grey area wrt those that have already had covid. For them it's a matter of understanding if their immune response to the virus was sufficiently strong as to provide similar protection to what the vaccine gives.

Shouldn't I trust my doctor who knows me rather than some campaign to get everybody vaccinated regardless of their own individual condition?

Assuming the doctor's advice is not based on irrational anti-vax fear or Bill Gates micro-chip conspiracies, yes.

And this "quiet your fears" comment assumes that's the reason for not getting vaccinated. There are other reasons.

My 'quiet your fears' comment refers to the specific reasons MM has given not to be vaccinated and is directed at him.

MM's foci tends to be (1) the potential for long term side effects or side effects as yet undiscovered, (2) with the vaccine's technical status being 'emergency exception', (3) his fear the CDC and other government agencies the world over are 'hiding the truth' about the vaccine.

Those are all fears.

So who gets to decide whether my doctor is right or wrong?

An odd question. But ultimately you get to decide whether or not you will follow his advice. Again, if you've had covid, you have been 'vaccinated'. The only question is how effective was your 'vaccine'.

[Gondwanaland]

What about doctors that advise people that have already had covid not to be vaccinated? The data shows that the vaccines are safe and effective in those that have been infected, and that they do, in fact, boost the naturally acquired immunity. So personally I would not listen to that advice unless there were other contraindications wrt getting the vaccine, But clearly that is a much more complicated situation.

False. The data shows that people who already had covid recieve no statistically significant benefit from the vaccine, and some data indicate that a two-dose vaccine can actually INHIBIT T-cell function/responsebin people who already had the virus.

[Gondwanaland]

Why? You said....

You have a responsibility to the nation and to those around you to quiet your fears and do what is best for all - get the vaccine. And to then encourage others to do the same.

Shouldn't I trust my doctor who knows me rather than some campaign to get everybody vaccinated regardless of their own individual condition?

And this "quiet your fears" comment assumes that's the reason for not getting vaccinated. There are other reasons.



So who gets to decide whether my doctor is right or wrong?

Apparently the doctor is only right if he marches in lockstep with Ox.