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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
I am not for defunding police. But I am against institutional racism.
I am not for open borders. But I am against separating children, especially small children, from their mothers and holding them in for months or longer, alone and afraid in what are essentially prisons
I have never said Trumpbwas worse than Hitler. I have said that he is a narcissist and has no moral compass. And as we can see, he will not respect democracy nor is he above attempting to actually keep his position as president no matter the cost to the country.
Trump IS bad. I've never had to manufacture or make up any accusation of concern. Trump has instead simply persuaded you and his followers to listen only to his voice. Any reporting that raises red flags or tells the truth about what he has done or is doing instantly is the enemy - even Fox News. What kind of leader controls what his followers believ or will listen too Ronson. What sort of leader defines what is true and what is false for his followers and then demands loyalty tests from them to prove if they are 'really' with him?
Cult leaders, kings, Supreme leaders, dictators, despots.
No legitimate leader of this country, no legitimate president can demand such a thing. If we have any loyalty as citizens of this country, our loyalty is to this country and its constitution and to the rule of law. Not to any president or senator or congressman.
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Originally posted by Charles View Post
I think this justifies that claim that quite many evangelicals and Trump supporters are driven by irrational fear.
Your ideas about "the left" as a unity of all likeminded which is an illusion in this case, and your foolish assumption that gulag camps are on their way, makes a quite good case that there is not much reason to appeal to, unfortunately.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
You seem out of touch with your own party. Your fight will be against them.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou haven't been paying attention to how much many of them have been salivating over the prospect of this, including elected officials. And take a look at how many "likes" their tweets get when they talk about it.
Your ideas about "the left" as a unity of all likeminded which is an illusion in this case, and your foolish assumption that gulag camps are on their way, makes a quite good case that there is not much reason to appeal to, unfortunately.
You provide zero examples and even if you did it would not prove anytning about "the left" as little as a stament from a religious person shows anytning about "the religious" in general. Or perpahs you would like to be associated with anything from any religion, any Christian, any American? Of course not and thus you are currently finding yourself in yet anorher foolish attempt to try to find even a tiny reason for thinking you are fighting for what is riight when you are supporting what you know is wrong.
"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd now the left can save the country by instituting the reeducation camps and gulags that they kept fantasizing about. Just as soon as they finish with making their enemies list so they know who to punish. Yea America!Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by John Hunt View Post"It's not even about Trump, so much as it's about the Left's wide-eyed berserk reaction to him"
Looking at this from the outside, from Europe, it's tough to understand this representation of the left in the USA. Biden and his cohorts are generally seen as moderate, centrist, right-leaning people. The most successful countries in Europe (and the world), with the highest standards of living, tend to be run.in the most part, by Social-Democratic parties who are committed to investing in the "public good" - in terms of health, education and infrastructure.
As far as well-to-do European countries, I would like to see how they balance their budgets - especially if they need to increase their defense spending.
Increasing inequality is seen as regressive. The USA has been going backwards for decades in this respect, with the middle class share of income steadily declining, the top 10% rising, the top 1% and particularly 0.1% going into the stratosphere. So there's a lot of bitterness around. Which some people manage to exploit.
Agreed, the middle class is shrinking, and has been doing so probably since the 1970s - under the wings of both Democrats and Republicans. Neither party has shown much interest in reversing the trend (when they aren't downright hostile towards it) and it will not bode well for the future.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
And yet here he is refusing to concede, defying even the Supreme Court, and seeking to undermine our democracy. Republicans in Georgia stood up for what was right and he turned on them. He turns on everyone that puts principle and integrity over what he wants.
This is reality ronson. I'm not making it up. These people in these battleground states that have stood by their process, Republicans many of them, are not people wanting to go along with some vast conspiracy. They are people that wanted Trump to win. They are normal people doing their jobs with the courage to speak the truth when it is unpopular, when it is dangerous to themselves and their families.
Ronson, can you not see that a man who would demand good people lie and turn on their own conscience and then seek to punish them when they did not IS a bad man?
I don't care at this point that he has been ousted. What I do care about is that mail-in ballots (as has been handled in 2020) never happens again in a nationwide election. If there is corruption in Philadelphia during statewide elections, then that's their problem. But when it comes to national elections that affect the entire country, there needs to be national standards in place.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostFortunately Twitter has silenced him and the news media has decided to censor him, because we all know that the Democrats will save this country.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Charles View Post
You skipped a rather central part of my post:
Simple question: Do you seriously belive that Gulag camps will be seen in the USA? Yes or no.
Originally posted by Charles View PostYou provide zero examples and even if you did it would not prove anytning about "the left" as little as a stament from a religious person shows anytning about "the religious" in general. Or perpahs you would like to be associated with anything from any religion, any Christian, any American? Of course not and thus you are currently finding yourself in yet anorher foolish attempt to try to find even a tiny reason for thinking you are fighting for what is riight when you are supporting what you know is wrong.
Let's start with the malevolent dwarf Robert Reich[1], who was Clinton's Secretary of Labor and served on Obama's economic transition advisory board, who along with MSNBC host Chris Hayes has called for a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission." It's unclear if those after the public show trials will be offered a blindfold as they are led away to the guillotine
There were also the Bernie bros inside Sander's campaign waxing poetic over the beauty of gulags and the need for reeducating the people if the left were able to take control.
While literally talking about the need to reeducate conservatives in the same way Germany had to do with former Nazis after WWII, a Field Organizer for the Sanders Campaign, Kyle Jurek, made the following statements:
"Like we're probably going to have to do the same [f-bomb] thing here. That's kind of what all Bernie's whole [f-bomb] like "hey, free education!" for everybody, because we're going to have to teach you to not be a [f-bomb] Nazi."
"There's a reason Joseph Stalin had gulags, right? And actually, gulags were a lot better than what the CIA has told us that they were. Like, people were actually paid a living wage in gulags, they had conjugal visits in gulags. Gulags were actually meant for like re-education."
"Greatest way to break a [f-bomb] billionaire of their like, privilege and their idea that they're superior, go out and break rocks for 12 hours a day."
There are videos available of him making these statements and nobody would ever take his tone and expression as being anything less than deathly serious and certainly not joking. I'd link to them but as you can see from the excerpts that, like so many other self-proclaimed anarcho-communists, he can barely manage a single sentence without lacing it with f-bombs and other vulgarities.
And he wasn't the only paid staffer on the Sanders campaign staff who talked about "send[ing] all the Republicans to the reeducation camps" and gulags.
As for Jurek et al and their love for gulags, perhaps the idiots should read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago concerning the Nobel Prize winning author's own experiences being locked up in the forced work camps. A book that made it impossible for Marxists in the West, along with their sympathizers, to dismiss the Soviet concentration camp system as nothing more than a "Stalinist aberration"
See also Sanders camp mum on pro-gulag staffer, says Iowans 'don't care about political gossip'.
And shortly after the election David Atkins, a newly elected California member of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), declared recently that Democrats and liberals should "start thinking in terms of post-WWII Germany or Japan" in order to "deprogram 75 million people."
Over 54,000 "likes" in just the first day.
The ditzy darling of the left, AOC dreams of creating an "archive" of all the names of Trump supporters so they could be held accountable "for their behavior."
And Sunny Hostin, Senior Legal Correspondent and Analyst for ABC News and co-host of the View, which the New York Times called the "most important political talk show in America," supported AOC's idea of making an enemies list of "Trump sycophants" to be punished in their future endeavors. Hostin declared on the View that
People like Kirstjen Nielsen, people like Stephen Miller, people like Kellyanne Conway, people like Vice president Mike Pence who was woefully inadequate of his role as the head of the coronavirus task force and people like Ben Carson and Betsy Devos, I don't think those people should be able to profit from their experience within the Trump administration. I don't think they should be forgotten. I don’t think we should look the other way. I think we need to remember because if you don't remember things then past becomes prologue. I do think people need to be held accountable for their actions and I don't think it's reminiscent of McCarthyism at all.
Are you or have you ever been a Trump supporter?
I should add that Democrats are already taking up AOC’s recommendation and the list that a group run by former staffers for Obama (one of whom is apparently on Biden's transition team) and presidential candidate "Mayor Pete" Buttigieg aren't just targeting upper officials in the Administration but all staffers, appointees and even supporters and donors as well.
As an article in the Federalist noted
Tacked onto AOC’s inflammatory tweet was a now-deleted reply from a former Obama campaign staffer dealing in analytics, Michael Simon, advertising the "Trump Accountability Project."
"Yes we are," he wrote, replying to AOC’s request for a roundup of Trump "sycophants" and linking to the project’s website. "Every Administration staffer, campaign staffer, bundler, lawyer who represented them- everyone."
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This self-declared "Trump Accountability Project's" extensive enemies list of people they compiled and were already tracking was publicly available until they made it private (probably due in part to complaints about having something like 57 judges on the list).
Again from the Federalist article:
The list of names was initially published on the project’s website asking people to “remember what they did,” and is now privatized, but captured by internet archives. It shows an extensive Google Sheets document listing off people who the project deems necessary to curb from “profiting from their experience” working with the Trump Administration.
Tabs on the document separate those listed into categories such as "Campaign Staff," "Administration," "Appointees," "Donors," "Law Firms," "Endorsers," and "Denouncers." The "Administration" tab contained names of senior advisors in the White House all the way down to the "Chief Calligrapher."
For those of us who have seen screen saves and the like it is loaded with threatening language about holding people who ever "took a paycheck" from Trump accountable for doing so.
Washington Post columnist, Jennifer Rubin, who also talks of lists, explains what is meant for those who don't grasp it. She's calling for making sure that Trump supporters not be allowed to work or be accepted into "polite society." That Trump supporters should never be allowed to have an important job, platform or position of power ever again.
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Similar sentiments have been expressed by folks like former ESPN and MSNBC host Keith Olbermann (fired for making numerous undisclosed political contributions), who ranted on about how
We want the prisons so filled with Trumps, and Trump flunkies, and Trump apologists, and Trump enablers, that we have to convert Trump buildings into new [blasphemy] Trump prisons
Likewise CNN’s Chris "Fredo" Cuomo, who lied about quarantining himself after being diagnosed with the Chicom coronavirus and instead was seen wandering around without a mask) also issued threats against Trump "enablers" on his show. And when accused of targeting political opponents including those who voted for them he shot back "Yeah. You are being targeted."
For those of you on the far left who still don't understand, feminist author and columnist for Medium, Jessica Valenti explains what it in terms you'll likely understand:
If you give anyone in this administration a job, f-bomb you. If you put them on a panel, f-bomb you. If you in any way give them the benefit of the doubt or a platform to power, f-bomb you.
As for AOC herself, she's doubled down, scoffing at the concerns she has raised, sneering in response, "Lol at the 'party of personal responsibility' being upset at the idea of being responsible for their behavior over [the] last four years."
And she and her ilk are making sure they pay for what they've done whether it was being nominated to a federal court or merely being the calligrapher at the White House.
1 who claims to be one of the nation's leading economists despite not being one (he's a lawyer) and grouses about the disparity of pay between entry level workers and CEO's conveniently leaving out how when he taught one class for two hours per week a few years ago at the University of California at Berkeley he was being paid $242,613 which breaks down to an hourly wage of $2,500 and was 36% higher than the average pay of an American CEO at the time. A world class hypocrite. I'm sure you'd like him.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
[Rogues post resembling an enemy list]
Look at how easily you go from examples to general conclusions and how easily you assume the worst about people who make these foolish statements.
I note you do not believe you are going to get Gulag camps in the USA when asked directly. Yet you gave the other impression initially. You don't really seem consistent in your fear mongering, do you?
I also note you continue to provide examples but do nothing to prove that what you provide shows what liberals or "the left" support. You are aware that some Christians are saying foolish things, supporting all sorts of extremes right? Do you think some kind of post resembling yours could be provided? Would you think it said a lot about who you are? I note that you are not even dealing with that part but instead try to drown us in particular examples seemingly in the hope that if you write a long post some will be fooled to think it is a general tendency or perhaps says something about all liberals or "the left". Some of the examples you use have very little to do with anything of a Gulag style but it seems you were more concerned about providing long lists that keeping to the topic or showing examples of what was asked for.
So, as bad as many of your provided statements are, they don't say anything about "the left" as if such a unity even exists. At best it shows that there are many fools on the left, quite many who lack moral guidance, and I have no problem agreeing on that. There are also many fools among Republicans, and among those Donald Trump praised Kim Jong Un who actually runs concetration camps. As horrible as that statement was, it has not caused me to think Republicans in general ignore horrible crimes against humanity. Would you think so?Last edited by Charles; 12-13-2020, 01:52 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
He's a big baby - in part because the MSM has made him that way with their constant attacks - but he pursued libertarian policies in office, and I approve wholeheartedly.
I don't care at this point that he has been ousted. What I do care about is that mail-in ballots (as has been handled in 2020) never happens again in a nationwide election. If there is corruption in Philadelphia during statewide elections, then that's their problem. But when it comes to national elections that affect the entire country, there needs to be national standards in place.
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Originally posted by Charles View Post
Pretty interesting to see how someone who does not like the idea of an enemy list so easily provides what resembles one. Just give it a thought.
You said I "provide[d] zero examples" of those wanting to send folks to gulags and re-education lists or making enemies lists, so I gave it to you. In spades.
And that was the best you could do
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Moron.
You said I "provide[d] zero examples" of those wanting to send folks to gulags and re-education lists or making enemies lists, so I gave it to you. In spades.
And that was the best you could do
Yes, you provided what resembled what you seem to blame others for doing. The fact you so eagerly did so is not my problem. I just found it absurd how easy it was to show how you hold a double standard in this case.
You did provide zero examples in the instance where I pointed it out. At your second change you provided examples, some better some worse. You did nothing to justify your statements made about "the left" in general.
You have had the chance to comment on the fact that you are concluding generally based on particular examples (fools do that often) quite many times now and you have had absolutely nothing to say to justify what you are claiming. You had to somehow admit that those Gulag camps were not, after all, coming pretty soon but somehow you seem to think that a rather long list of foolish, harsh stupid, morally wrong statements from social media (where all grous provide large number of those types of statements) would somehow prove you right?
Your approach is based on a conclusion about "the left" you know you cannot justify. I feel quite sure that you actually know about these basics. Like you also knew, time and time again, that you supported what was morally wrong and contradicted the message of Jesus when you supported Trump in quite many cases that called for the opposite. Your lists will not fix that probem for you.Last edited by Charles; 12-13-2020, 02:23 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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