Another unprovoked shooting by police that lead to death of a black

[shunyadragon]

Oh, it was relevant. You claimed that the shooting was unprovoked based on nothing more than the layers statement.

Huh?!?!?!!?

[CivilDiscourse]

Huh?!?!?!!?

*Lawyer's statement.

[Mountain Man]

As usual, there's a lot more to the story that CNN is not telling us.

Peter Tobin, the U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of Ohio, gave the initial account of what happened the day of the shooting, but said a week later that he had acted prematurely.

That reversal adds even more uncertainty in the narrative of what happened.

As part of Tobin's remarks on Dec. 4, he said that Goodson waved a gun at a Franklin County sheriff's deputy, Meade, as he drove by in a plain vehicle.

He also said the SWAT deputy confronted Goodson, who had by this point gotten out of his vehicle. The deputy told the gunman to drop his handgun, a command heard by at least one witness, Tobin said.

When Goodson did not drop his handgun, Tobin said Meade shot him.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...io/6488824002/

Goodson, a 23-year-old Black man who was on the doorstep of his grandmother's Columbus home, was shot multiple times last week by Meade, who was looking for someone else as part of a U.S. Marshals task force. His family says he was carrying sandwiches. Meade says Goodson was holding a weapon.

"At no time did Deputy Meade mistake a sandwich for a gun," attorneys for the Franklin County Sheriff's deputy said Thursday. "Mr. Goodson pointed his gun at Deputy Meade. There has been confirmation that our client gave verbal commands for Mr. Goodson to drop the gun."

https://www.insideedition.com/casey-...ys-claim-63670

[rogue06]

As usual, there's a lot more to the story that CNN is not telling us.

Peter Tobin, the U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of Ohio, gave the initial account of what happened the day of the shooting, but said a week later that he had acted prematurely.

That reversal adds even more uncertainty in the narrative of what happened.

As part of Tobin's remarks on Dec. 4, he said that Goodson waved a gun at a Franklin County sheriff's deputy, Meade, as he drove by in a plain vehicle.

He also said the SWAT deputy confronted Goodson, who had by this point gotten out of his vehicle. The deputy told the gunman to drop his handgun, a command heard by at least one witness, Tobin said.

When Goodson did not drop his handgun, Tobin said Meade shot him.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...io/6488824002/

Goodson, a 23-year-old Black man who was on the doorstep of his grandmother's Columbus home, was shot multiple times last week by Meade, who was looking for someone else as part of a U.S. Marshals task force. His family says he was carrying sandwiches. Meade says Goodson was holding a weapon.

"At no time did Deputy Meade mistake a sandwich for a gun," attorneys for the Franklin County Sheriff's deputy said Thursday. "Mr. Goodson pointed his gun at Deputy Meade. There has been confirmation that our client gave verbal commands for Mr. Goodson to drop the gun."

https://www.insideedition.com/casey-...ys-claim-63670

Oops. This thread is reminding me of another thread by Shuny and how it fell apart:

Lynching in modern America

On March 19, 2015, Otis Byrd, 54, was found hanging from a tree in Port Gibson, Mississippi. The FBI and Mississippi Bureau of Investigation are investigating the incident, and the NAACP is asking the Justice Department to get involved.

Although racial lynching is often viewed as a thing of the past, there have been several cases where Blacks have been lynched in modern times.

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Source: Feds Find 'No Evidence' That Hanging Death Of Otis Byrd Was A Homicide

The Department of Justice announced Friday that it has found no evidence of homicide in the hanging death of Otis Byrd, a black Mississippi man.

"After a careful and thorough review, a team of experienced federal prosecutors and FBI agents determined that there was no evidence to prove that Byrd's death was a homicide," the DOJ said in a press release.

The department also found no evidence to support federal civil rights charges, which required prosecutors to find "beyond a reasonable doubt, that an individual willfully caused bodily injury because of the victim's actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity or disability," the release said.

Local authorities agreed with the DOJ's finding.


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Note that the source is hardly a right wing, racist outfit and that the DOJ is controlled by the Obama Administration which, like yourself, tends to see racism around every corner. It is not unheard of for people to go off and commit suicide by hanging themself.

Here are five horrific modern-day lynchings of Black people by the hands of racists.

Source: http://rollingout.com/2015/03/21/5-horrific-modern-day-lynchings-blacks-america/

Brandon McClelland

In 2008, Brandon McClelland was with Shannon Finley and Charles Crostley in Paris, Texas. At some point, McClelland got out of the truck after arguing with Finely and Crostley. Finely ran over McClelland and drug him 70 feet to his death. Finley and Crostley were arrested, but their charges were dropped in a town that often displayed overt racism.

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It appears that racism had nothing to do with it. They were close friends since childhood and had been working together earlier that evening hanging sheet rock. Several years earlier Finley shot and killed another friend and was convicted of manslaughter. McClelland furnished a false alibi for Finley, testifying before a grand jury that Finley was with him at the time the shooting occurred. That lie under oath earned McClelland a conviction for aggravated perjury.

As the Texas Ranger, Stacy McNeal, who led an investigation in the case said, "I don't see how it was racial, being as how they were good friends." What the accusation apparently was is that they got drunk together and got into a fight over who was sober enough to drive. So it appears that McClelland may have been a victim of drunken rage more than racial animosity.

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James Craig Anderson

In 2011, James Craig Anderson of Mississippi was beaten by 10 young white teens and ran over by a pick-up truck. Deryl Paul Dedmon, John Aaron Rice and Dylan Wade Butler were each sentenced to seven to 50 years in prison.

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This was indeed the result of a hate crime. Nobody is denying that they happen. The group went out intentionally looking for trouble (they planned on throwing bottles at blacks) and spotted Anderson who they thought was trying to steal a car (it was his own car that he had lost the keys for) and proceeded to beat and rob him with Dedmon then deliberately running him down with his Jeep killing him.

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Alfred-Wright

In November 2013, Alfred Wright's car broke down in Jasper, Texas. He began walking for help and was found dead one week later with his ear cut off and his eye missing. Police claimed that Wright was eaten by an animal after taking drugs. They arrested his drug dealer, Shane Hadnot. However, his family believes that he was lynched because he dated a white woman.

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Wright died of an accidental drug overdose. His mother refused to accept that and claimed that he never used drugs, that they were pumped into her son and he had been murdered. His sister agreed. A toxicology report prepared by a Lee Ann Grossberg an independent pathologist hired by the family agreed with the official autopsy report with both showing long-term cocaine use by Wright.

Before the examination Grossberg held a press conference where said that she had "a high index of suspicion this was a homicide" but then after her examination she agreed with the state examiner that Wright's death was an accidental overdose.

This is corroborated by a series of text messages between Wright and Hadnot, which reveal that Wright bought cocaine, methamphetamine and Xanax from Hadnot on the day he died and regularly before that. The text sent by Wright to Hadnot on the day he died read: "Bro 1 gino and a 20 and 3 handles," which police say meant that Wright was asking for a gram of cocaine, $20 worth of meth, and 3 Xanax pills. Those three drugs were found in Wright's system.

Hadnot (seen below) admitted that he sold half-grams of cocaine to Wright on a daily basis.

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Further, according to Wright's wife Lauren, on the day her husband disappeared, she told a deputy she hadn't observed anything unusual that day but then later called back and recanted her statement. She informed the deputy that Wright had "been acting very strange lately" and that she "suspected" he was "on something." Another witness said that they spoke to Wright in his or her driveway on the day that he died and "found him extremely disoriented and unable to communicate clearly" before telling him to leave.

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lennon lacy

In August 2014, Lennon Lacy, 17, was hung to death in Bladenboro, North Carolina. The state's medical examiner ruled the death a suicide, but his family believed he was lynched. Lacy dated a 31-year-old white woman and some in the small town did not approve the relationship. Lacy was found dead in the woods after going on a midnight run. The FBI is still investigating.

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Lacy was despondent over the death of his great-uncle (the funeral was the day before). His family acknowledges that the death of his relative caused him to start talking about death and asking questions about mortality that they said had never heard him talk about before and told the state medical examiner that he was depressed over it. Then on the day that Lacy died his 31-year-old girlfriend had broken up with him.

And it wasn't a midnight run. According to his best friend's mother, Teresa Edwards, she spotted Lacy walking along the dirt road while heading to the local grocery store. Since it was getting dark and he was alone she stopped to ask him if he needed a ride. He replied, no ma'am, I'm just thinking."

All of this led investigators to conclude that he took his own life. And even the pastor of his church, Rev. Gregory Taylor, said that, "We know suicide is possible" although he finds it hard to accept.

And yes, there were people who had disapproved of the relationship he had been having -- chiefly his own family. Claudia Lacy, his mother, said "I was shocked, disappointed. I also, initially told him how I felt - that I did not approve of it." But it seems that most of the objections had nothing whatsoever to do with race but with the difference in ages.

Still, there are questions that remain. His family says that Lacy wasn't wearing the same shoes that he had left the house wearing and that they weren't his, although it seems rather odd that someone who murdered him would changes his shoes. They also say that the belts that were used to fashion the noose did not belong to him, but the corner and medical examiner, Hubert Kinlaw, says that they appear to have been dog leashes.

Probably the biggest problem is that the autopsy wasn't as thorough as it could have been but AFAICT the pathologist that the NAACP hired to examine the report didn't find any hard evidence of homicide but rather was critical of it's incompleteness.



So the cases you provided include a suicide, an incident of drunken rage between lifelong friends, a drug overdose and a likely suicide with only one being the result of an actual hate crime. And as I said, nobody denies that hate crimes take place and that includes ones committed by blacks against whites like those committed in Chicago a couple years ago where black teens hunted whites on the beach by Lake Michigan in order to attack them. Local officials refused to call them hate crimes even though the perpetrators were specifically looking for white victims.

This reluctance to call black on white violence a hate crime has become widespread whereas there seems to be no such trouble labeling any violent act committed by whites against blacks as hate crimes. Numerous instances can be pointed to including a brutal attack on a white family in Florence, Alabama by a group of 20 to 30 black juveniles led by a 28 year old screaming "Get that White!" (they first attacked the 14 year old son and then the father when he tried to protect him).

Shortly after the death of Trayvon Martin over a dozen incidents of what were termed "flash mobs" attacked and beat whites saying while saying that it was in revenge for Martin's death. In one incident in Norfolk, Virginia a white couple was attacked and beaten by a group of up to 100 black juveniles (although most of them just stood around cheering) and the local police simply told the victims to get in their car and leave, refused to take statements from witnesses or even their names saying that the attackers were juveniles there wasn't really much that they could do.

As I said hate crimes do happen. Both by whites against blacks and by blacks against whites. Both need to be cracked down on and prosecuted when they take place. But this is nothing like what was happening during the period of Jim Crow laws, public lynchings and when the KKK held a great deal of power in some regions despite your suggestion in another post that things might have in some ways actually gotten worse during the 1960s through 1990s.

ETA: I added horizontal lines to show where what shuny wrote ended while quoting his post since the new system does not make that clear.