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  • Fox News issues-based polling

    Fox News did a very interesting issues-focused national poll in the week leading up to election day which gives interesting insights into what the American population thinks on issues. It surveyed 110,000 people, across all 50 states, on quite a range of issues.

    It seemed to have a slight conservative bias as slightly more respondents reported leaning Republican than Democratic and slightly more reported being conservative than liberal.

    Nonetheless the results on different issues favored very progressive policy positions. Screenshots from the Fox News segment on The Five on the topic on election night (data behind these graphics is on the Fox News website), as they reported this polling:

    FoxPoll1.JPG
    FoxPoll2.JPG
    FoxPoll3.JPG

    As the above graphics show, pluralities or outright majorities favored government-run healthcare, more gun control, not changing Roe v Wade, a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, requiring people to wear masks in public, and wanted Bigger government rather than Smaller government. They thought racism was a serious problem in society and in policing, and that the Trump administration had made the US less safe and not been tough enough on Russia.

    Being familiar with this sort of polling - and having an idea of what percentage of the country is in each category - is helpful to ensure we have an idea of what different people think and to make sure we aren't too stuck in our own bubbles. Even if we've in a majority-position or plurality position ourselves on an issue, it's helpful to understand number of people who hold different views and what their views are.

    From looking at that polling I am inclined to agree with a comment I heard several years ago: "The US is full of people who view themselves as 'conservatives' and 'Republicans' but if you actually ask their opinions on specific policies on specific topics, the policy positions they tell you they favour will be very progressive and will be policy positions that the Democrats, not Republicans, are advocating for, and the furtherest left-wing Democrats at that." The 72% who reported favoring or strongly favoring government-run healthcare is an example of this - most of the Democratic party (e.g. Biden) is against bringing in government-run healthcare, to get to that position you've got to go people such as Bernie and AOC on the left-wing end of the Democratic party.
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    The problem with polls showing opposition to overturning Roe v. Wade is that when you look at polls on what people think of abortion regulation, they don't match at all. People say in polls they don't want it overturned but then polls also show support for the very kind of abortion regulation that the Supreme Court forbids in greater percentages than the number that say they want Roe v. Wade overruled. That doesn't make any sense. I think a lot of people aren't very aware of what is or isn't allowed under abortion jurispudence which leads to inconsistent poll results like that.

    In fact, the question isn't really the correct question to begin with. If we're talking the original Roe v. Wade, that thing (along with its often unknown sister case Doe v. Bolton) outlawed virtually all abortion regulation. The Supreme Court later rolled that back a little, but if we're talking original Roe v. Wade then you'd have to toss out even some of the abortion regulation we have right now. So really the question shouldn't be Roe v. Wade, but Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

    Honestly though, irrespective of the abortion issue itself, Roe v. Wade should just be overturned for being terrible jurispudence.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      The problem with polls showing opposition to overturning Roe v. Wade is that when you look at polls on what people think of abortion regulation, they don't match at all. People say in polls they don't want it overturned but then polls also show support for the very kind of abortion regulation that the Supreme Court forbids in greater percentages than the number that say they want Roe v. Wade overruled. That doesn't make any sense. I think a lot of people aren't very aware of what is or isn't allowed under abortion jurispudence which leads to inconsistent poll results like that.

      In fact, the question isn't really the correct question to begin with. If we're talking the original Roe v. Wade, that thing (along with its often unknown sister case Doe v. Bolton) outlawed virtually all abortion regulation. The Supreme Court later rolled that back a little, but if we're talking original Roe v. Wade then you'd have to toss out even some of the abortion regulation we have right now. So really the question shouldn't be Roe v. Wade, but Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

      Honestly though, irrespective of the abortion issue itself, Roe v. Wade should just be overturned for being terrible jurispudence.
      The same thing happens when asking people about opposition to the ACA vs its constituent provisions (and it's even more striking when asking about "Obamacare"). I don't really know a good way to fix this since the cable news networks (all of them) are responsible for these uninformed voters in their own ways.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
        The problem with polls showing opposition to overturning Roe v. Wade is that when you look at polls on what people think of abortion regulation, they don't match at all.
        They also asked a question about abortion directly:

        Fox5.JPG

        And this question also touched on it:

        Fox4.JPG
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
          The problem with polls showing opposition to overturning Roe v. Wade is that when you look at polls on what people think of abortion regulation, they don't match at all. People say in polls they don't want it overturned but then polls also show support for the very kind of abortion regulation that the Supreme Court forbids in greater percentages than the number that say they want Roe v. Wade overruled. That doesn't make any sense. I think a lot of people aren't very aware of what is or isn't allowed under abortion jurispudence which leads to inconsistent poll results like that.

          In fact, the question isn't really the correct question to begin with. If we're talking the original Roe v. Wade, that thing (along with its often unknown sister case Doe v. Bolton) outlawed virtually all abortion regulation. The Supreme Court later rolled that back a little, but if we're talking original Roe v. Wade then you'd have to toss out even some of the abortion regulation we have right now. So really the question shouldn't be Roe v. Wade, but Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

          Honestly though, irrespective of the abortion issue itself, Roe v. Wade should just be overturned for being terrible jurispudence.
          Your bias is extreme and you did not consider the other polls concerning abortion. Also this is a poll from citizen perspective which is more relevant than legal technicalities.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seanD

            The post's been deleted likely for the advertisement link in your quote. You may wish to edit.
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            P2)

            C) I win.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

              The post's been deleted likely for the advertisement link in your quote. You may wish to edit.
              You've got more gonads than I have clicking on that link.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                You've got more gonads than I have clicking on that link.
                I used an url checker.

                Edit: At first I searched for the link text without the .com then used the url checker.
                Last edited by Diogenes; 07-25-2023, 02:38 PM.
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                • #9
                  There was a link? I just remember someone (apparently a completely new poster) bumping this thread with a weird post about how great Fox News polling was (it looks like it got deleted). Was there a link in there I missed?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Fox News did a very interesting issues-focused national poll in the week leading up to election day which gives interesting insights into what the American population thinks on issues. It surveyed 110,000 people, across all 50 states, on quite a range of issues.

                    It seemed to have a slight conservative bias as slightly more respondents reported leaning Republican than Democratic and slightly more reported being conservative than liberal.

                    Nonetheless the results on different issues favored very progressive policy positions. Screenshots from the Fox News segment on The Five on the topic on election night (data behind these graphics is on the Fox News website), as they reported this polling:

                    FoxPoll1.JPG
                    FoxPoll2.JPG
                    FoxPoll3.JPG

                    As the above graphics show, pluralities or outright majorities favored government-run healthcare, more gun control, not changing Roe v Wade, a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, requiring people to wear masks in public, and wanted Bigger government rather than Smaller government. They thought racism was a serious problem in society and in policing, and that the Trump administration had made the US less safe and not been tough enough on Russia.

                    .
                    Polling to policy has translation errors. Something maybe nice on paper, but not in reality. Do the people know that Canada's come to the US for medical tourism? What did "more gun control" mean and how would it actually stop gun violence without infringing on right? People like the sound of things, that's all polling shows.
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                    P2)

                    C) I win.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                      Do the people know that Canada's come to the US for medical tourism?
                      Do you know it's a tiny number compared to the number of people who go to Canada from the US for medical tourism?
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Do you know it's a tiny number compared to the number of people who go to Canada from the US for medical tourism?
                        I'd assume the fact the United States has more than 8 times the population of Canada is a major reason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          I'd assume the fact the United States has more than 8 times the population of Canada is a major reason.
                          The US has 12x more people seek medical treatments outside the country than Canada, so accounting for the 8x different in population, the US still has a higher rate of going elsewhere for medical treatment. Per capita about 50% more people leave the US to get medical procedures per year elsewhere as do the same from Canada.

                          Best numbers I could find were:
                          2016 Canada: 63,496 Canadians left the country to get medical procedures elsewhere. That equates to 1758 people per year per million Canadians.
                          2019 US: 780,000 Americans left the country to get medical procedures elsewhere. That equates to 2378 people per year per million Americans. (This source gives a figure of 750,000 to 1.4 million per year in the 2007 to 2017 period)
                          More recent numbers are greatly confounded by the pandemic which significantly lowered international travel numbers, but they seem to be returning to what they previously were.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Do you know it's a tiny number compared to the number of people who go to Canada from the US for medical tourism?
                            And? The very fact that Canadians opt to come to the US for diagnostic tests is sufficient enough to show that the bureaucrats in Ottawa cannot efficiently plan as if they are managerial gods. People will naturally find efficiencies in the market the same way water finds the lowest elevation. Your position is that bureaucrats are better at managing efficiency than the market. For me, Americans engaging in medical tourism is just normal market behaviour. Price is part of the natural flow of the market. Having more diagnostic per captia and more tests per capita would increase costs. 8 of the largest 15 pharmaceutical companies are headquartered in the US and r & d gets expensive. I'd wager that, in general, Americans are less healthy on average and that would also increase healthcare costs. Americans likely also have more elective surgeries too like surgeries for minors start that at $40k just for the surgeon so that's going to impact healthcare costs.

                            I'd have to see the data on elective vs routine vs critical procedures regarding medical tourism or even just general healthcare.
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                            P2)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                              The US has 12x more people seek medical treatments outside the country than Canada, so accounting for the 8x different in population, the US still has a higher rate of going elsewhere for medical treatment. Per capita about 50% more people leave the US to get medical procedures per year elsewhere as do the same from Canada.

                              Best numbers I could find were:
                              2016 Canada: 63,496 Canadians left the country to get medical procedures elsewhere. That equates to 1758 people per year per million Canadians.
                              2019 US: 780,000 Americans left the country to get medical procedures elsewhere. That equates to 2378 people per year per million Americans. (This source gives a figure of 750,000 to 1.4 million per year in the 2007 to 2017 period)
                              More recent numbers are greatly confounded by the pandemic which significantly lowered international travel numbers, but they seem to be returning to what they previously were.
                              According to your sources, the medical care sought abroad by US citizens is for cosmetic surgery, in vitro fertilization, weight loss surgery, and, curiously, dentistry, whereas Canadians coming to the US are simply trying to avoid long wait times for basic medical care.
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                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


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