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[mikewhitney]

Please provide evidence that the polio vaccine introduced polio into India. And not some of the long debunked nonsense about 500,000 Indian kids getting polio from the vaccine.

how was it debunked? I think Gates simply has a bigger PR machine. I get tired from debunking the debunkers.

Indian researchers recently described the relationship between rates of “non-polio acute flaccid paralysis” (NPAFP) and the country’s practice of “pulse polio immunisation” (periodic OPV vaccination of all children under age five). The number of polio rounds “had a high correlation with the NPAFP rate,” and the mortality rate in NPAFP patients was “twice the mortality rate for wild polio.” When the researchers calculated “the number of paralyzed children each year which exceeded the expected numbers” for the period from 2000–2017, they found that there were “an additional 491,000 paralyzed children” above the expected number of 149,000. Given the strong association of non-polio paralysis “with the number of OPV doses delivered,” the researchers intriguingly speculated that:

“…repeated doses of the live vaccine virus delivered to the intestine may colonize the gut and alter the viral microbiome of the intestine, and this can result in strain shifts of enteropathogens. It is possible that new neurotropic [i.e., preferentially attacking the nervous system] enteroviruses colonizing the gut may induce paralysis.”

The study link is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/

[mikewhitney]

I may have some inaccuracies when trying to remember details from memory.

However India also has been concerned about Gates association with the Pharma while influencing the Immunization policy in India.

one story is here: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/41280050.cms
This is a partial quote from the story about Gardasil

In 2009, several schools for tribal children in Khammam district in Telangana — then a part of undivided Andhra Pradesh — became sites for observation studies for a cervical cancer vaccine that was administered to thousands of girls aged between nine and 15. The girls were administered the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccine in three rounds that year under the supervision of state health department officials. The vaccine used was Gardasil, manufactured by Merck. It was administered to around 16,000 girls in the district, many of whom stayed in state government-run hostels meant for tribal students.

Months later, many girls started falling ill and by 2010 five of them died. Two more deaths were reported from Vadodara, Gujarat, where an estimated 14,000 children studying in schools meant for tribal children were also vaccinated with another brand of HPV vaccine, Cervarix, manufactured by GSK. Earlier in the week, the Associated Press reported that scores of teenaged girls were hospitalised in a small town in northern Colombia with symptoms that parents suspect could be an adverse reaction to Gardasil.

A standing committee on health and family welfare that investigated the irregularities pertaining to the observation studies in India tabled its report a year ago, on August 30.

The committee found that consent for conducting these studies, in many cases, was taken from the hostel wardens, which was a flagrant violation of norms. In many other cases, thumbprint impressions of their poor and illiterate parents were duly affixed onto the consent form. The children also had no idea about the nature of the disease or the vaccine. The authorities concerned could not furnish requisite consent forms for the vaccinated children in a huge number of cases.

The committee said it was “deeply shocked to find that in Andhra Pradesh out of the 9,543 [consent] forms, 1,948 forms have thumb impressions while hostel wardens have signed 2,763 forms. In Gujarat, out of the 6,217 forms 3,944 have thumb impressions and 5,454 either signed or carried thumb impressions of guardians. The data revealed that a very large number of parents or guardians are illiterate and could not even write in their local languages, Telugu or Gujarati.”

So, we see that people have not been happy with Gates in India.

We have the story on polio and HPV in this link too

Source: https://fort-russ.com/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-vaccine-dictatorship-plan-cites-gates-twisted-messiah-complex/

Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines.

In 2014, the #GatesFoundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

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[thormas]

the vaccine is 95% effective on something like 0.2% of the people in the study. the vaccine only gets rid of symptoms but does not stop the contagion. So it is mostly useless.

Gates is known for pushing the polio vaccine in india which introduced polio into India. He also promoted GMO seed into India which they finally rejected because it was impoverishing the farmers. Gates is truly a hero, isn't he?

I must admit I have no ideas what you're talking about here. That % against 0.2% people in the study doesn't seem to translate to 95% effective. And that is what is being said by companies and medical experts. So??

Is the polio vaccine a live or a dead vaccine - if the former how could it introduce polio? And how did it work in the US then? I had a best friend who had polio as a kid but I honestly have no idea if he got it in spite of or, as you seem to indicate, because of the vaccine?

A man is not defined only by his failures (if what you day is completely accurate)..........plus never said he was a hero.

[rogue06]

The most diagnosed cases is irrelevant, because it doesn't take into account the population. The most cases per million people? That's important. The US has one case every 23 people. Out of 220 countries, that's the 209th best. Or the 11th worst, if you like. How about deaths per million people? The US has one death from COVID out of every 1,173 people in the country. THat's 210th best. Or the 10th worst.

But how about the number of tests per positive? That one, if what you claim is true, would be high - that would indicate that the US is doing well, but the numbers look large because we've done so much tests. But that number isn't high at all. In the US, about 1 test in 14 is positives. That's right in the middle range - 101st out of 220. The world average is 15.7, so the US is very close to it.

So the US tests per positive is average, yet the US cases per million population is very high and the US deaths per population is very high. Sorry, but we do NOT have a very high number of diagnosed cases (per million) because we've done more testing. We have the a very high number of diagnosed cases (per million) because we've done a crap job of handling it.

There's no two ways about it - the US has done a terrible job of handling COVID, particularly given that it is one of the most advanced and richest in the world.


And your evidence for this - and that other countries don't do the same - is?


Evidence for this?


Then forget China.


Again, evidence?

In the U.S. we tend to list any possible causes or conditions that may have contributed to a person’s death^[1], FWIU many other nations list the primary cause. For instance, if someone had cancer and got shot a doctor could list cancer as one of the causes especially if he figured that it might have caused the person to be in a weaker condition making it more likely to not survive being shot. Some times it's much more strained.

Back in the early 80s when tests for detecting the presence of marijuana in the system had been figured out we saw a sharp increase in marijuana-related deaths. This was used by opponents of decriminalization as evidence that marijuana was more dangerous than previously thought. But the someone started examining the records and discovered that a substantial number of these were instances of passengers in auto wrecks that had the drug in the system meaning that it played absolutely no role in the death (also keep in mind the tests could detect it weeks after use). Similarly with the Chicom coronavirus, someone can have a very mild case and die of an accident and have it listed as one of the causes. Or even a severe case and die of an accident.

Unfortunately there is a financial incentive to list people as having the disease. The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients, so there is a potential motivation to list it as a cause. That could also inflate numbers of non-fatal cases since hospitals receive the extra money for those as well and as mentioned in footnote #1 some states list presumed cases not just diagnosed ones.



The evidence for poorer countries not listing all the deaths, there is evidence that this is indeed the case in India

COVID-19 deaths are being underreported across India, an investigation by The Wire Science has found. Such non-reporting falls broadly into two categories.

In the first category, a city counts only those deaths of patients who tested positive for the virus – i.e. ‘confirmed COVID-19 deaths’ – in its official toll. When patients who have symptoms of COVID-19 but aren’t tested, test negative or have an inconclusive result die, their deaths aren’t included.

...

Despite there being other ways to diagnose COVID-19 patients, most Indian states are not reporting suspected deaths. The Wire Science spoke to municipal officials, health-department officials and officials from the Integrated Disease Surveillance Programme in seven states and union territories: Maharashtra, Gujarat, Telangana, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Puducherry, all of whom said they weren’t including suspected deaths in their published COVID-19 death tolls.

And this isn’t the only kind of underreporting there is. Some Indian cities and states are going a step ahead and not reporting all confirmed deaths either. These include Gujarat’s Vadodara and Surat, and all of Telangana. Together, both kinds of underreporting risk giving a false picture of COVID-19’s real impact in India.

Others have reported the cremation of bodies, particularly in rural areas where facilities to store bodies is limited, before they are tested, apparently attempting to prevent disease spread. These also aren't calculated into the statistics.

Here is another article published in the British medical journal The Lancet discussing other reasons that the numbers from India are likely low: Is India missing COVID-19 deaths?


As for North Korea: The coronavirus could be wreaking havoc on the world’s last Stalinist state^[2], North Korea is secretly asking for coronavirus aid from other countries while publicly denying that it has any cases, North Korea's Official Virus Tally Zero, Experts Aren't So Sure. The problem has gotten bad enough since then that they can no longer hide it nor try.


And as for infant mortality rates being calculated differently... From the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD):

The infant mortality rate is defined as the number of deaths of children under one year of age, expressed per 1 000 live births. Some of the international variation in infant mortality rates is due to variations among countries in registering practices for premature infants. The United States and Canada are two countries which register a much higher proportion of babies weighing less than 500g, with low odds of survival, resulting in higher reported infant mortality. In Europe, several countries apply a minimum gestational age of 22 weeks (or a birth weight threshold of 500g) for babies to be registered as live births. This indicator is measured in terms of deaths per 1 000 live births.

And while several decades old, this report from the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Biotechnology Information highlights these differences. For instance,

Although registration of a live birth is supposed to be based on the WHO definition of any sign of life, not all countries subscribe to this definition (Haub and Yanagishita, 1991; Hartford, 1992). In France, a baby has to be alive at the time of registration, which could be 24-48 hours after delivery. East Germany requires evidence of the functioning of both the heart and the lungs. The former Soviet Union excluded from live births infants of less than 1,000 grams in weight or less than 28 weeks of gestation, if they die within 7 days of birth.

Japan has been known for its classification of some infant deaths as late fetal deaths (stillbirths), although some observers believe steps have been taken to correct the situation (Haub and Yanagishita, 1991). However, to the extent that this practice exists, Japan's IMR may be artificially low.

As the report points out "[b]ecause the number of deaths is always very small as a proportion of births, small differences in the way that deaths are measured can have particularly strong effects on the rates." They also found that "the results are consistent with the notion that the United States may report as live births more low-birth-weight babies who are at high risk of dying in the first day, and then register those who die as infant deaths" compared to other countries.






1. It can depend on the state since some states like California, list only laboratory-confirmed diagnoses but others, such as New York, list all presumed cases

2. If it is behind a paywall the article was reprinted HERE

[Electric Skeptic]

In the U.S. we tend to list any possible causes or conditions that may have contributed to a person’s death^[1], FWIU many other nations list the primary cause. For instance, if someone had cancer and got shot a doctor could list cancer as one of the causes especially if he figured that it might have caused the person to be in a weaker condition making it more likely to not survive being shot. Some times it's much more strained.

Back in the early 80s when tests for detecting the presence of marijuana in the system had been figured out we saw a sharp increase in marijuana-related deaths. This was used by opponents of decriminalization as evidence that marijuana was more dangerous than previously thought. But the someone started examining the records and discovered that a substantial number of these were instances of passengers in auto wrecks that had the drug in the system meaning that it played absolutely no role in the death (also keep in mind the tests could detect it weeks after use). Similarly with the Chicom coronavirus, someone can have a very mild case and die of an accident and have it listed as one of the causes. Or even a severe case and die of an accident.

Unfortunately there is a financial incentive to list people as having the disease. The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients, so there is a potential motivation to list it as a cause. That could also inflate numbers of non-fatal cases since hospitals receive the extra money for those as well and as mentioned in footnote #1 some states list presumed cases not just diagnosed ones.



The evidence for poorer countries not listing all the deaths, there is evidence that this is indeed the case in India

COVID-19 deaths are being underreported across India, an investigation by The Wire Science has found. Such non-reporting falls broadly into two categories.

In the first category, a city counts only those deaths of patients who tested positive for the virus – i.e. ‘confirmed COVID-19 deaths’ – in its official toll. When patients who have symptoms of COVID-19 but aren’t tested, test negative or have an inconclusive result die, their deaths aren’t included.

...

Despite there being other ways to diagnose COVID-19 patients, most Indian states are not reporting suspected deaths. The Wire Science spoke to municipal officials, health-department officials and officials from the Integrated Disease Surveillance Programme in seven states and union territories: Maharashtra, Gujarat, Telangana, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Puducherry, all of whom said they weren’t including suspected deaths in their published COVID-19 death tolls.

And this isn’t the only kind of underreporting there is. Some Indian cities and states are going a step ahead and not reporting all confirmed deaths either. These include Gujarat’s Vadodara and Surat, and all of Telangana. Together, both kinds of underreporting risk giving a false picture of COVID-19’s real impact in India.

Others have reported the cremation of bodies, particularly in rural areas where facilities to store bodies is limited, before they are tested, apparently attempting to prevent disease spread. These also aren't calculated into the statistics.

Here is another article published in the British medical journal The Lancet discussing other reasons that the numbers from India are likely low: Is India missing COVID-19 deaths?


As for North Korea: The coronavirus could be wreaking havoc on the world’s last Stalinist state^[2], North Korea is secretly asking for coronavirus aid from other countries while publicly denying that it has any cases, North Korea's Official Virus Tally Zero, Experts Aren't So Sure. The problem has gotten bad enough since then that they can no longer hide it nor try.


And as for infant mortality rates being calculated differently... From the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD):

The infant mortality rate is defined as the number of deaths of children under one year of age, expressed per 1 000 live births. Some of the international variation in infant mortality rates is due to variations among countries in registering practices for premature infants. The United States and Canada are two countries which register a much higher proportion of babies weighing less than 500g, with low odds of survival, resulting in higher reported infant mortality. In Europe, several countries apply a minimum gestational age of 22 weeks (or a birth weight threshold of 500g) for babies to be registered as live births. This indicator is measured in terms of deaths per 1 000 live births.

And while several decades old, this report from the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Biotechnology Information highlights these differences. For instance,

Although registration of a live birth is supposed to be based on the WHO definition of any sign of life, not all countries subscribe to this definition (Haub and Yanagishita, 1991; Hartford, 1992). In France, a baby has to be alive at the time of registration, which could be 24-48 hours after delivery. East Germany requires evidence of the functioning of both the heart and the lungs. The former Soviet Union excluded from live births infants of less than 1,000 grams in weight or less than 28 weeks of gestation, if they die within 7 days of birth.

Japan has been known for its classification of some infant deaths as late fetal deaths (stillbirths), although some observers believe steps have been taken to correct the situation (Haub and Yanagishita, 1991). However, to the extent that this practice exists, Japan's IMR may be artificially low.

As the report points out "[b]ecause the number of deaths is always very small as a proportion of births, small differences in the way that deaths are measured can have particularly strong effects on the rates." They also found that "the results are consistent with the notion that the United States may report as live births more low-birth-weight babies who are at high risk of dying in the first day, and then register those who die as infant deaths" compared to other countries.

1. It can depend on the state since some states like California, list only laboratory-confirmed diagnoses but others, such as New York, list all presumed cases

2. If it is behind a paywall the article was reprinted HERE

Im' sorry, but the issues you cite don't even go close to beginning to make the US' figures only bad. They remain terrible.

Of the world's developed nations, the richest and (arguably) the most developed has done the worst in handling COVID.

[rogue06]

Im' sorry, but the issues you cite don't even go close to beginning to make the US' figures only bad. They remain terrible.

Of the world's developed nations, the richest and (arguably) the most developed has done the worst in handling COVID.

Much like the infant mortality rate, if different countries are using different ways of measuring cases and deaths, then you are comparing apples to oranges.

[Electric Skeptic]

Much like the infant mortality rate, if different countries are using different ways of measuring cases and deaths, then you are comparing apples to oranges.

Sorry, but when a country is doing as badly as the US is, it shows in the numbers.

[thormas]

Sorry, but when a country is doing as badly as the US is, it shows in the numbers.

Exactly - trump and his administration did not serve the people well at all concerning COVID - even now he is MIA.

[Starlight]

Sorry, but when a country is doing as badly as the US is, it shows in the numbers.

USA, number 1!

[rogue06]

Sorry, but when a country is doing as badly as the US is, it shows in the numbers.

I've never said nor implied that the rates aren't obscenely high. What I'm saying is that comparisons with other countries may be like comparing apples to oranges and not entirely valid in that different ways of measuring cases and deaths are used.

[seanD]

Which part is backwards? Conservatives not trusting science? I mean, you and I might be the exception. But I know people that flat out told me they trusted Trump's opinion on the coronavirus more than the PhD/MDs that study this stuff for a living. And, sadly, a ton of people I know seem to buy into that line of reasoning. So the studies might not be too far off. I think it's rooted in insecurity and/or distrust towards those with higher education credentials. Almost like an 'us versus them' mentality. I don't understand why that exists, but....apparently it does.

Well, at least now I understand the justification some cops use and will use when they're harassing ordinary citizens who "violate" shutdown mandates. I guess that's a bit better than "I was ordered to do it."

[mikewhitney]

Exactly - trump and his administration did not serve the people well at all concerning COVID - even now he is MIA.

he promoted HCQ pretty early on. The media kept going against him on this. Go figure.

Should he have fired Fauci earlier? Should he have taken on dictatorial roles against the powers granted to him? Will it still help to go into Martial Law and stop all these rebellious governors?

[Starlight]

he promoted HCQ pretty early on. The media kept going against him on this. Go figure.

They were also against him when he promoted the equally unhelpful bleach. The man just can't get a break. No matter which unhelpful snake oil treatment he seizes on to promote, they mock him.

[mikewhitney]

They were also against him when he promoted the equally unhelpful bleach. The man just can't get a break. No matter which unhelpful snake oil treatment he seizes on to promote, they mock him.

I didn't think there were people stupid enough to fall for the media interpretation of Trump's question. However, the HCQ has proven to help most people in early stages of the virus and to reduce deaths by 24% is later stages. So he had better information than the mainstream media. That is pretty helpful to keep in mind.

[Starlight]

However, the HCQ has proven to help most people in early stages of the virus and to reduce deaths by 24% is later stages.

No. HCQ has now been thoroughly studied around the world in multiple trials. It has been found to not be effective against Covid, and potentially impairs the effectiveness of Remdesivir. As a result the FDA has revoked the authorization for the use of HCQ against Covid.

Trump was wrong to recommend its use. And you are delusional to still believe it works despite numerous international trials showing it doesn't.