What Would a Civil War Look Like Today?

[mikewhitney]

[QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1208403]

Your response her wasin response to my post in reference to the military and extremism.

Great. you repeating the obvious but still mixed up. Sorry to confuse you.

[shunyadragon]

Great. you repeating the obvious but still mixed up. Sorry to confuse you.

No confusion on my part. Just citing your post concerning my post on extremism in the military.

[seanD]

I've always believed that a modern civil war would look like it does now -- violent clashes between political groups on a street level, and continued political division, chaos, and deadlock on a state and federal level -- only much more intensified than it is now. I never believed this would look anything like the state clashes of the first civil war, and still don't. But this can't be good...

Texas has been joined by 17 other red states in its longshot Supreme Court lawsuit to try and overturn Donald Trump’s election defeat.

Texas attorney general Ken Paxton launched legal action against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which were all won by Joe Biden as he claimed the White House. The 17 states, all of which supported the outgoing president, have now filed an amicus brief in support of the case to throw out Mr Biden’s wins in those four states.

Mr Paxton claims that the Covid-related changes to election procedures in the states violated federal law, and he wants the US Supreme Court to block those states in the electoral college.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm in one of the States being sued, and I think the inter-State lawsuit is great.

Legal opinion is divided, but I think most experts believe it has little chance of success.

[firstfloor]

I'm in one of the States being sued, and I think the inter-State lawsuit is great.

Legal opinion is divided, but I think most experts believe it has little chance of success.

All this garbage is about getting the nutters excited so that they give him money. There is no legal case; it’s all a show.

[seanD]

All this garbage is about getting the nutters excited so that they give him money. There is no legal case; it’s all a show.

Why would the states care about giving him money?

Whether there is or isn't a legal case is beside the point. Perception is a serious issue here. If the states feel their candidate was cheated in a rigged election, that's a bit of a problem.

[firstfloor]

Why would the states care about giving him money?

Whether there is or isn't a legal case is beside the point. Perception is a serious issue here. If the states feel their candidate was cheated in a rigged election, that's a bit of a problem.

But we already know, and so do they, that their candidate was not cheated. This is something else.

defeated, not cheated.

[shunyadragon]

I think you have to start separating militaries. The states would retain their guards. States would decide what they would do.

I don't think 'robotically' following is a bad thing, and there is no defense of either side of this argument so you can poke holes in any speculation.

I think we have a pattern of likely arrangements from the first civil war.

Are you willing to give up your life for the cause as the Republican Party of Arizona is calling all loyal followers?

[seanD]

But we already know, and so do they, that their candidate was not cheated. This is something else.

defeated, not cheated.

"Not cheated" is a matter of opinion at this point. Again, whether he was or wasn't, it's about perception. If all these states and representatives believe their candidate was cheated, then God help this country when Biden and his leftist authoritative federal goons try and enact executive orders and pandemic mandates. God help us all at that point.

[Thoughtful Monk]

We must be in an election cycle because I'm seeing more articles are violence and maybe even civil war coming up again. This thread was started shortly after the 2020 Presidential election. I guess this is going to be part of our national election cycle for awhile.

This article from Business Insider I found interesting. https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...torians-2022-8

To try to summarize the article:

• Trust in authority and different communities has eroded to the point where we just automatically fight each other
• People's civic and civil ways of resolving conflict are out the window
• We are not heading towards an actual war but an insurgency or civil disorder
• This will be a fit between multiple groups who will attack civilians, infrastructure using bombs and hit-and-run raids
• The sides will avoid attacking the US Military
• Violence will mainly be in pockets around the country. One place violence will be especially present is purple states

Under this standard, I think we are already in civil disorder. We'll see it increase as the Federal government finds it harder to enforce its rule in parts of the country. Also, we'll probably start seeing more of regions within a state defying their state government. I agree that where you live is going to make a difference. Being in a red enclave in a blue state or vice versa is not going to be healthy. We'll probably see more migration of people moving to areas where the people already share their beliefs.

I suppose eventually this will go more military-like as governors call out the National Guard to enforce their rule in all or parts of their state. I hope we don't reach that phase.

[rogue06]

We must be in an election cycle because I'm seeing more articles are violence and maybe even civil war coming up again. This thread was started shortly after the 2020 Presidential election. I guess this is going to be part of our national election cycle for awhile.

This article from Business Insider I found interesting. https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...torians-2022-8

To try to summarize the article:

• Trust in authority and different communities has eroded to the point where we just automatically fight each other
• People's civic and civil ways of resolving conflict are out the window
• We are not heading towards an actual war but an insurgency or civil disorder
• This will be a fit between multiple groups who will attack civilians, infrastructure using bombs and hit-and-run raids
• The sides will avoid attacking the US Military
• Violence will mainly be in pockets around the country. One place violence will be especially present is purple states

Under this standard, I think we are already in civil disorder. We'll see it increase as the Federal government finds it harder to enforce its rule in parts of the country. Also, we'll probably start seeing more of regions within a state defying their state government. I agree that where you live is going to make a difference. Being in a red enclave in a blue state or vice versa is not going to be healthy. We'll probably see more migration of people moving to areas where the people already share their beliefs.

I suppose eventually this will go more military-like as governors call out the National Guard to enforce their rule in all or parts of their state. I hope we don't reach that phase.

For the past few years I regularly run across a story about whether we are headed toward another civil war. Most are about a recent poll.

[Mountain Man]

Unless an alternative government were behind it, like the Confederate States during the Civil War, I doubt we will ever see a coordinated attempt to secede from or overtake the US government. If a modern Civil War happened, it would most likely be random mobs rising up and clashing in isolated skirmishes, some of which would no doubt be quite bloody and destructive. If local law enforcement or the military stepped in, I would expect them to side with the government since that has been their traditional stance for decades ("I'm just doing my job/following orders.").

The fact that this is even a topic of conversation suggests just how badly our government and the goon squads in the three letter agencies have failed.

[seanD]

My views have shifted now seeing how aggressive the Biden admin is (and just how divided against each other we're becoming) and how they're willing to use federal power against their political opposition. If red states even thought about seceding, I have no doubt the Biden admin and Dems in the house would aggressively react against that, which would just spark the tinder even more. I actually do see a civil war similar to the past, where red states form some sort of alliance against federal aggression. The military would probably divide between the two. There's also the possibility of foreign involvement. UN/WEF backed forces taking the federal side, and BRIC countries taking the state's side.

[rogue06]

The fact that this is even a topic of conversation suggests just how badly our government and the goon squads in the three letter agencies have failed.

A lot of truth there.

[Maranatha]

Are you willing to give up your life for the cause as the Republican Party of Arizona is calling all loyal followers?

I haven't lived in Arizona for over twenty years, so no.

I do live in a red state though. Our governor would declare being on the right, and everyone in our state government would fall in line or leave.

Then, with the blue people being surrounded by the red people, they would be given safe passage to a blue state or confined.

That makes the most sense to me as how it would go. Your mileage varies, obviously.

As far as me voluntarily participating, no. If forced then I would. This world gave me a vote, and that's about as far as I'd like to participate. I am more than willing to fight and kill, it's just not my fight.