The ethics of a hypothetical pre-natal screening for Homosexuality

[Bill the Cat]

Neither could Christopher Reeve after his tragic accident. Your point?

Lack of ability to care for one's self is not grounds for terminating a life.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Lack of ability to care for one's self is not grounds for terminating a life.

I realise it offends your patriarchal sensibilities but a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy irrespective of what you think. It is her decision, and hers alone.

[Bill the Cat]

I realise it offends your patriarchal sensibilities but a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy irrespective of what you think. It is her decision, and hers alone.

Has nothing to do with patriarchy and everything to do with the biological reality that your "right" destroys a human individual.

[rogue06]

I realise it offends your patriarchal sensibilities but a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy irrespective of what you think. It is her decision, and hers alone.

So what if the woman decides that she wants a "post-birth abortion" and decides to kill her young children. Is that her decision, and hers alone as well?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Has nothing to do with patriarchy and everything to do with the biological reality that your "right" destroys a human individual.

Oh yes it does. Controlling women and women's fertility has a long and deep history rooted in patriarchal mores and attitudes.

However, this thread is not about the ethics of abortion per se. It is about the ethics surrounding a hypothetical pre-natal screening process.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

So what if the woman decides that she wants a "post-birth abortion" and decides to kill her young children. Is that her decision, and hers alone as well?

That scenario is not the topic of this thread. However, I suppose you have heard of something called Post Natal/Post-partum Depression?

[CivilDiscourse]

That scenario is not the topic of this thread. However, I suppose you have heard of something called Post Natal/Post-partum Depression?

Speaking of. You didnt ask about how you react to others doing this hypothetical thing you've said you wouldn't "tolerate"

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Well, lets just assume we are talking about the topic of the thread, which you said is something you wouldn't tolerate.

It might be wise to stop making assumptions. They are invariably wrong.

You introduced the word "tolerate" in your reply at post #30 where you wrote:

So, you are willing to tolerate the "genocidal" style actions in order to preserve abortion, even though it may result in a drastic reduction in the number of homsexuals in the world. [sic]

Thereby ascribing attitudes to me that I have never expressed. You are continuing to do so in your latest post #52.

Furthermore your initial contention is purely hypothetical as at present, as far as I am aware, there is no in-utero screening process for identifying any future sexual orientation of the embryo.

If you want a discussion on the ethics of producing designer babies it might have been more honest to state that at the outset.

[CivilDiscourse]

It might be wise to stop making assumptions. They are invariably wrong.

You introduced the word "tolerate" in your reply at post #30 where you wrote:

So, you are willing to tolerate the "genocidal" style actions in order to preserve abortion, even though it may result in a drastic reduction in the number of homsexuals in the world. [sic]

Thereby ascribing attitudes to me that I have never expressed. You are continuing to do so in your latest post #52.

Furthermore your initial contention is purely hypothetical as at present, as far as I am aware, there is no in-utero screening process for identifying any future sexual orientation of the embryo.

If you want a discussion on the ethics of producing designer babies it might have been more honest to state that at the outset.

It's a dichotomy. You either tolerate it or you do not. Since your post was "There's nothing we can do", which means you shrug and tolerate it as you know you can't stop it.

Since you objected to the description that you would then "tolerate" such behavior, it means you won't.

So, what do you do about it? Shun them? Try to get them fired? Publicly out them for their private choices? How do you not tolerate that behavior?

[rogue06]

That scenario is not the topic of this thread. However, I suppose you have heard of something called Post Natal/Post-partum Depression?

Depression is hardly a legitimate excuse for murdering people.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It's a dichotomy. You either tolerate it or you do not.

To tolerate something is [by definition] to: [a] to allow the existence, presence, practice, or act of without prohibition or hindrance; permit; [b] to endure without repugnance; put up with. [my emphasis]

Do you "tolerate" the high levels of violent crime in the USA?

Or do you recognise that the issues of hugely disproportionate levels of education and income, serious issues concerning poverty, drug abuse, lack of opportunity, and all the other myriad social issues we know exist within the USA, combined with a huge population within a vast landmass, have direct bearing on the incidence of violent crime within your country?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Depression is hardly a legitimate excuse for murdering people.

Post natal depression can, and sometimes tragically does, lead to infanticide.

Have you never read Goethe's Faust?

[rogue06]

Post natal depression can, and sometimes tragically does, lead to infanticide.

Have you never read Goethe's Faust?

True. But that still does not excuse it which is what you seem to be doing here in your effort to bolster your assertion that abortion is "her decision, and hers alone."

[CivilDiscourse]

To tolerate something is [by definition] to: [a] to allow the existence, presence, practice, or act of without prohibition or hindrance; permit; [b] to endure without repugnance; put up with. [my emphasis]

Do you "tolerate" the high levels of violent crime in the USA?

Or do you recognise that the issues of hugely disproportionate levels of education and income, serious issues concerning poverty, drug abuse, lack of opportunity, and all the other myriad social issues we know exist within the USA, combined with a huge population within a vast landmass, have direct bearing on the incidence of violent crime within your country?

Tolerate it? No. We pass laws punishing crime, we put more cops on the streets to stop crime. We often refuse to hire felons, We tell our kids to stay away from criminals, etc.

What about genocidal abortions to remove gays? What do you do to not tolerate it?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Tolerate it? No. We pass laws punishing crime, we put more cops on the streets to stop crime. We often refuse to hire felons, We tell our kids to stay away from criminals, etc.

What about genocidal abortions to remove gays? What do you do to not tolerate it?

But that does not prevent the USA's high levels of violent crime. Those measures merely deal with the symptoms not the "disease" . It is interesting that you completely ignored the more problematic issues I cited.

However, you do seem to prefer the easy and simple solutions when you are addressing complex issues.