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The ethics of a hypothetical pre-natal screening for Homosexuality
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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Do you have issues with reading for comprehension? I ask because you have just ascribed to me an opinion I have never stated.
You pin your hope on the culture changing, and if it doesn't (as sex preference hasn't in much of asia) then you are accepting that it's going to happen.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
But you did. "There is nothing you can do" = "Tolerate".
You pin your hope on the culture changing, and if it doesn't (as sex preference hasn't in much of asia) then you are accepting that it's going to happen.
However, that does not equate with what you are contending, namely that in some wise I "tolerate" what I have referred to as "cosmetic" abortions.
There is a lot that can be done to change cultural attitudes but it is not going to be an overnight event. Patriarchal mores are deeply entrenched in most cultures as we regularly see in this microcosm."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGiven how some who are deaf want to use such tests to try to have a deaf child, I can picture a lesbian couple trying to have a gay child and even aborting any who aren't
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Originally posted by Sherman View PostThere is something that is being missed here. The whole premise of this argument is flawed. Homosexuality is a behavior. There is not any real proof that behavior is such is inherited anymore than tendency to steal or to lie. Environmental factors have more to do with shaping a person's behavior.
But, of course it is unethical as it conditions parental love and the worthiness of a child on something that he or she has no culpability.
And for the Christians, it could not even be a consideration.
As for inherited vs. environmental, a friend in college was one of 8 kids and obviously the parents were in a heterosexual marriage. Raised in the same family although separated by a year or two or three and raised by the same people, 4 were heterosexual and 4 were homosexual.Last edited by thormas; 11-23-2020, 11:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
No I didn't. A woman has the right to end a pregnancy and even without access to legal abortions women will still attempt to do so. That is a fact.
However, that does not equate with what you are contending, namely that in some wise I "tolerate" what I have referred to as "cosmetic" abortions.
There is a lot that can be done to change cultural attitudes but it is not going to be an overnight event. Patriarchal mores are deeply entrenched in most cultures as we regularly see in this microcosm.
So, if people are doing things you don't "tolerate", what do you do about it?
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Then again what you picture and reality are two very different things
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
So, what do you do about it when you don't "tolerate" it? I mean, when my kids do something I don't tolerate, they get talked to, they get punished, they have rules implemented, etc.
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostSo, if people are doing things you don't "tolerate", what do you do about it?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
I saw that.......still the comment about the lesbian couple was your reality.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Actually........you're projecting
Take a look at this paper Reproductive Rights and Reproductive Technology in 2030 written by John A. Robertson, who is the chair of the University of Texas Law School's Ethics Committee of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine and published on on the website of what Time magazine described it as the "nation's pre-eminent liberal think tank," the Brookings Institute.
While not specifically talking about aborting a straight child it does support the "right" of gay parents to genetically test for and select a gay baby -- "to have a male child that shares their sexual orientation" -- with the implication that if the baby wasn't gay and doctors couldn't alter the baby's DNA to make it gay (yes, Robertson discusses that) then the parents could abort and try again.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe same as those for parents who abort on cultural/religious grounds because the child is the wrong sex.
Or couples who have a disability [as rogue06 cited] and who want their child[ren] to have the same disability. It's a form of designer baby and frankly rather unpleasant.
Deciding to abort a child with a recognised mental and/or physical disability is something quite different. Homosexuality is not a mental or physical disability that requires exceptional parental/social care [or being institutionalised] because the individual is unable to adequately fend for themselves.
We can grow up and go out into the world and be as successful [or not] as any of our hetero neighbours and/or friends.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
Hawking couldn't fend for himself for several years..."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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