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    This came up in my FB News Feed several hours ago. It is literally all I know about QAnon. It seems to have little to do with the various "You sound like QAnon" accusations I hear around here.

    The main thing I got from it is that "Trumpy Bear" (I am the storm!) is apparently a QAnon fan.
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Federalist.

    Nationalist Christian.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

    Proud member of the this space left blank community.

    Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

    Justice for Matthew Perna!

    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

  • #2
    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    This came up in my FB News Feed several hours ago. It is literally all I know about QAnon. It seems to have little to do with the various "You sound like QAnon" accusations I hear around here.

    The main thing I got from it is that "Trumpy Bear" (I am the storm!) is apparently a QAnon fan.
    I just don't get why folks choose to believe in things that are probably not true and can't ever be proven -- Pizzagate-- instead of things that are similar that can and have been proven true and are just as shocking, disturbing, and outlandish -- Epstein and Vatican pedophile rings. To me that just reeks of intentional distraction and obfuscation of the latter. I could very easily see social media banning, whether intentionally or by mistake, a group discussing Epstein, his pedophile ring and his ties to the Clintons as somehow linked to QAnon. And the fact the FBI actually considers it a "terrorist group," I mean, really? Based on what?

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    • #3
      I am familiar with Qanon and am disturbed some Christians have fallen into it. Having examined the movement there seems to be much appeal to secret knowledge. They often refer to those who are awakened and part of the movement as being redpilled and I see much of it as no different then Gnosticism. They often call those who don't follow them as sheep while they themselves are seen as enlightened. Recently a few months ago they claimed the company Wayfair was selling children in cabinets for sex trafficking based on the claim these cabinets were overpriced and contained names similar to missing children. I actually posted a debunking of this claim on this forum where this topic is discussed. I have watched the film The Fall of The Cabal what's interesting the film never gives sources for its claims and some of the statements are rather reaching such as if anyone flashes horns or an ok sign means a person is a Freemason or Illuminati. Also found out the creator of the film claims she has contact with Aliens.

      Now there is no doubt sexual abuse occurs both in politics and by rich individuals, as Christians we should not be surprised given fallen man (Romans 1; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7), but at the same time groups like this give more power to evil/Satan then the Scriptures allow. And spending time on speculation is not healthy. It's interesting Qanon uses phrases as going down the Rabbit Hole and that's exactly what they are doing, getting people to go down holes that are not there. Scripture warns us not to be tossed about (Ephesians 4:4), while this refers to Doctrine it can also be applied to being caught up in ideas that have no basis in evidence, Scripture tells us we are to not believe everything we see or hear (Proverbs 14:15). This is why Qanon should be avoided.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ReformedApologist View Post
        Now there is no doubt sexual abuse occurs both in politics and by rich individuals, as Christians we should not be surprised given fallen man (Romans 1; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7), but at the same time groups like this give more power to evil/Satan then the Scriptures allow. And spending time on speculation is not healthy. It's interesting Qanon uses phrases as going down the Rabbit Hole and that's exactly what they are doing, getting people to go down holes that are not there. Scripture warns us not to be tossed about (Ephesians 4:4), while this refers to Doctrine it can also be applied to being caught up in ideas that have no basis in evidence, Scripture tells us we are to not believe everything we see or hear (Proverbs 14:15). This is why Qanon should be avoided.
        It is well known epidemic among Roman Church Priests, but also sexual abuse and pedophilia is also wide spread among priests ministers and leaders of conservative Christianity. . .

        Source: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php



        Thirty-five years later, Debbie Vasquez's voice trembled as she described her trauma to a group of Southern Baptist leaders.

        She was 14, she said, when she was first molested by her pastor in Sanger, a tiny prairie town an hour north of Dallas. It was the first of many assaults that Vasquez said destroyed her teenage years and, at 18, left her pregnant by the Southern Baptist pastor, a married man more than a dozen years older.

        In June 2008, she paid her way to Indianapolis, where she and others asked leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention and its 47,000 churches to track sexual predators and take action against congregations that harbored or concealed abusers. Vasquez, by then in her 40s, implored them to consider prevention policies like those adopted by faiths that include the Catholic Church.



        In this 2007 file photo, Debbie Vasquez holds a photo of herself at age 14, when she says she was first molested by the pastor of her church in Sanger, about one hour north of Dallas. (Donna McWilliam/Associated Press)

        "Listen to what God has to say," she said, according to audio of the meeting, which she recorded. "... All that evil needs is for good to do nothing. ... Please help me and others that will be hurt."

        Days later, Southern Baptist leaders rejected nearly every proposed reform.

        The abusers haven't stopped. They've hurt hundreds more.

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        Prosecutors, convicted pastors discuss sexual assault.

        Media: Jon Shapley/Houston Chronicle

        In the decade since Vasquez's appeal for help, more than 250 people who worked or volunteered in Southern Baptist churches have been charged with sex crimes, an investigation by the Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News reveals.

        It's not just a recent problem: In all, since 1998, roughly 380 Southern Baptist church leaders and volunteers have faced allegations of sexual misconduct, the newspapers found. That includes those who were convicted, credibly accused and successfully sued, and those who confessed or resigned. More of them worked in Texas than in any other state.

        They left behind more than 700 victims, many of them shunned by their churches, left to themselves to rebuild their lives. Some were urged to forgive their abusers or to get abortions.

        About 220 offenders have been convicted or took plea deals, and dozens of cases are pending. They were pastors. Ministers. Youth pastors. Sunday school teachers. Deacons. Church volunteers.
        HOW WE DID THIS STORY:


        Current as of June 2019

        In 2007, victims of sexual abuse by Southern Baptist pastors requested creation of a registry containing the names of current and former leaders of Southern Baptist churches who had been convicted of sex crimes or who had been credibly accused. That didn't happen; the last time any such list was made public was by the Baptist General Convention of Texas. It contained the names of eight sex criminals.

        In 2018, as advocates again pressed SBC officials for such a registry, Houston Chronicle reporters began to search news archives, websites and databases nationwide to compile an archive of allegations of sexual abuse, sexual assault and other serious misconduct involving Southern Baptist pastors and other church officials. We found complaints made against hundreds of pastors, church officials and volunteers at Southern Baptist churches nationwide.

        We focused our search on the 10 years preceding the victims' first call for a registry and on the 10-plus years since. And we concentrated on individuals who had a documented connection to a church listed in an SBC directory published by a state or national association.

        We verified details in hundreds of accounts of abuse by examining federal and state court databases, prison records and official documents from more than 20 states and by searching sex offender registries nationwide. In Texas, we visited more than a dozen county courthouses. We interviewed district attorneys and police in more than 40 Texas counties. We filed dozens of public records requests in Texas and nationwide.

        Ultimately, we compiled information on roughly 400 credibly accused officials in Southern Baptist churches, including pastors, deacons, Sunday school teachers and volunteers.

        We verified that about 260 had been convicted of sex crimes or received deferred prosecutions in plea deals and sent letters to all of them soliciting their responses to summaries we compiled. We received written responses from more than 30 and interviewed three in Texas prisons.

        Find our records that relate to those convicted or forced to register as sex offenders at HoustonChronicle.com/AbuseofFaith.

        Nearly 100 are still held in prisons stretching from Sacramento County, Calif., to Hillsborough County, Fla., state and federal records show. Scores of others cut deals and served no time. More than 100 are registered sex offenders. Some still work in Southern Baptist churches today.

        Journalists in the two newsrooms spent more than six months reviewing thousands of pages of court, prison and police records and conducting hundreds of interviews. They built a database of former leaders in Southern Baptist churches who have been convicted of sex crimes.

        The investigation reveals that:

        • At least 35 church pastors, employees and volunteers who exhibited predatory behavior were still able to find jobs at churches during the past two decades. In some cases, church leaders apparently failed to alert law enforcement about complaints or to warn other congregations about allegations of misconduct.

        • Several past presidents and prominent leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention are among those criticized by victims for concealing or mishandling abuse complaints within their own churches or seminaries.

        • Some registered sex offenders returned to the pulpit. Others remain there, including a Houston preacher who sexually assaulted a teenager and now is the principal officer of a Houston nonprofit that works with student organizations, federal records show. Its name: Touching the Future Today Inc.

        • Many of the victims were adolescents who were molested, sent explicit photos or texts, exposed to pornography, photographed nude, or repeatedly raped by youth pastors. Some victims as young as 3 were molested or raped inside pastors' studies and Sunday school classrooms. A few were adults — women and men who sought pastoral guidance and instead say they were seduced or sexually assaulted.

        Heather Schneider was 14 when she was molested in a choir room at Houston's Second Baptist Church, according to criminal and civil court records. Her mother, Gwen Casados, said church leaders waited months to fire the attacker, who later pleaded no contest. In response to her lawsuit, church leaders also denied responsibility.

        Schneider slit her wrists the day after that attack in 1994, Casados said. She survived, but she died 14 years later from a drug overdose that her mother blames on the trauma.

        "I never got her back," Casados said.

        Others took decades to come forward, and only after their lives had unraveled. David Pittman was 12, he says, when a youth minister from his Georgia church first molested him in 1981. Two other former members of the man's churches said in interviews that they also were abused by him. But by the time Pittman spoke out in 2006, it was too late to press criminal charges.

        The minister still works at an SBC church.

        Pittman won't soon forgive those who have offered prayers but taken no action. He only recently stopped hating God.

        "That is the greatest tragedy of all," he said. "So many people's faith is murdered. I mean, their faith is slaughtered by these predators."

        August "Augie" Boto, interim president of the SBC's Executive Committee, helped draft the rejection of reform proposals in 2008. In an interview, he expressed "sorrow" about some of the newspapers' findings but said the convention's leadership can do only so much to stop sexual abuses.

        "It would be sorrow if it were 200 or 600" cases, Boto said. "Sorrow. What we're talking about is criminal. The fact that criminal activity occurs in a church context is always the basis of grief. But it's going to happen. And that statement does not mean that we must be resigned to it."

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        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
          This came up in my FB News Feed several hours ago. It is literally all I know about QAnon. It seems to have little to do with the various "You sound like QAnon" accusations I hear around here.

          The main thing I got from it is that "Trumpy Bear" (I am the storm!) is apparently a QAnon fan.
          For Trump he likes them, because "he likes me." and you both pull the Schultz, "I know nothing."
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

            For Trump he likes them, because "he likes me." and you both pull the Schultz, "I know nothing."
            As you wish.
            Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

            Beige Federalist.

            Nationalist Christian.

            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

            Proud member of the this space left blank community.

            Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

            Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

            Justice for Matthew Perna!

            Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

              As you wish.
              Not me, but simply quoting Trump, 'They like me.'
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

              Comment

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