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  • #31
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Are you for real? Seriously? We have arguments on this forum monthly about whether any and all government spending is socialism. There's a whole lot of people who think it is. Especially in the US. I generally argue against that position. But it's not like it's not a popular definition of socialism. Plenty of people would say "Government funded healthcare" = "socialized medicine" because if it's the government taxing and spending, then it's socialism.
    So you are putting AOC into the category of people who are ignorant about Socialism.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Maybe she insufficiently fact-checked one tweet? Is that what's being alleged?

      Wow. Huge social media crime. Someone call the twitter police.

      You know who insufficiently fact checked approximately 10,000 tweets?

      The lunatic insane nutter Trump who other lunatic insane nutters in the US voted to be their president.

      You know who else tweets lunatic things weekly? Most Republican congressmen and Senators. The number of serious insane tweets I have seen from them is unreal.
      Where is Chuckie with his squeaks and squeals about "Whataboutism" when you need him

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        So you are putting AOC into the category of people who are ignorant about Socialism.
        She is sufficiently knowledgeable about socialism to know there are lots of different views about the definition of it. I've seen her say exactly that in an interview before, before going on to correctly explain what some of the different definitions were. I don't have the slightest problem with her picking up a popular definition of socialism and using it to make a rhetorical point on a specific occasion. Personally, over time I've become more tolerant of people using "socialism" to mean quite a variety of different things.
        Last edited by Starlight; 11-10-2020, 06:04 AM.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Maybe she insufficiently fact-checked one tweet? Is that what's being alleged?

          Wow. Huge social media crime. Someone call the twitter police.

          You know who insufficiently fact checked approximately 10,000 tweets?

          The lunatic insane nutter Trump who other lunatic insane nutters in the US voted to be their president.

          You know who else tweets lunatic things weekly? Most Republican congressmen and Senators. The number of serious insane tweets I have seen from them is unreal.
          It is interesting how you try to had wave away every single thing. How hard would bit be to go "Yeah, that was blatantly dumb, but one incident doesn't define someone?"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
            It is interesting how you try to had wave away every single thing. How hard would bit be to go "Yeah, that was blatantly dumb, but one incident doesn't define someone?"
            That's what I said. It's why I compared her making 1 bad tweet with Trump making 10,000 bad tweets. One is a pattern of behavior and one is a once-off.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              That's what I said. It's why I compared her making 1 bad tweet with Trump making 10,000 bad tweets. One is a pattern of behavior and one is a once-off.
              Unfortunately, you didn't. At no point did you acknowledge anything she did as bad/dumb, etc. The only thing you did was ask if I was saying she insufficiently fact checked a tweet before jumping into "whataboutism". There was no criticism from you at all.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                It's hilarious to me you think that. She's 100x smarter than you or Trump.

                I've watched hours of interviews with her and she's quick-thinking, well-educated, informed on the issues, has nuanced viewpoints, and her answers showed she thinks things through carefully and doesn't leap to conclusions. She's one of very very few congress-people to genuinely impress me with how intelligent she is. And that's not something that happens often - most politicians who I like, or agree with on issues (e.g. Bernie Sanders, or many in my own country) I wouldn't necessarily say are super-high in intelligence. If you'd asked me who are the two all-round-smartest people in all of congress, the answer I would have given would have been Kamala Harris and AOC. I don't particularly like Kamala, and she's not gonna be in congress anymore now she's VP-elect. Obviously there are plenty of people in congress I've never heard of, nor seen in action, so there might well be smarter people there somewhere, but of those in the public eye reasonably often, AOC's clearly among the smartest.

                It's hilarious though how readily a certain demographic believe fervently that AOC is an idiot. Almost like they just needed to see a picture of wide-eyed mixed race young woman and all their existing prejudices kicked in. In their foolish minds, hot young women can't be smart and intelligent and educated.
                You sound desperate to convince yourself. LOL.

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                • #38
                  First we had the Bernie bros inside Sander's campaign waxing poetic over the beauty of gulags and the need for reeducating the people if the left took control. (See also Sanders camp mum on pro-gulag staffer, says Iowans 'don't care about political gossip'). Now it is AOC and dreams of creating an "archive" of all the names of Trump supporters so they could be held accountable "for their behavior."

                  And Sunny Hostin, Senior Legal Correspondent and Analyst for ABC News and co-host of the View, which the New York Times called the "most important political talk show in America," supported AOC's idea of making an enemies list of "Trump sycophants" to be punished in their future endeavors. Hostin declared on the View that

                  People like Kirstjen Nielsen, people like Stephen Miller, people like Kellyanne Conway, people like Vice president Mike Pence who was woefully inadequate of his role as the head of the coronavirus task force and people like Ben Carson and Betsy Devos, I don't think those people should be able to profit from their experience within the Trump administration. I don't think they should be forgotten. I don’t think we should look the other way. I think we need to remember because if you don't remember things then past becomes prologue. I do think people need to be held accountable for their actions and I don't think it's reminiscent of McCarthyism at all.


                  Are you or have you ever been a Trump supporter?


                  I should add that Democrats are already taking up AOC’s recommendation and the list that a group run by former staffers for Obama (one of whom is apparently on Biden's transition team) and presidential candidate "Mayor Pete" Buttigieg aren't just targeting upper officials in the Administration but all staffers, appointees and even supporters and donors as well.

                  As an article in the Federalist noted

                  Tacked onto AOC’s inflammatory tweet was a now-deleted reply from a former Obama campaign staffer dealing in analytics, Michael Simon, advertising the "Trump Accountability Project."

                  "Yes we are," he wrote, replying to AOC’s request for a roundup of Trump "sycophants" and linking to the project’s website. "Every Administration staffer, campaign staffer, bundler, lawyer who represented them- everyone."





                  This self-declared "Trump Accountability Project's" extensive enemies list of people they compiled and were already tracking was publicly available until they made it private (probably due in part to complaints about having something like 57 judges on the list).

                  Again from the Federalist article:

                  The list of names was initially published on the project’s website asking people to “remember what they did,” and is now privatized, but captured by internet archives. It shows an extensive Google Sheets document listing off people who the project deems necessary to curb from “profiting from their experience” working with the Trump Administration.

                  Tabs on the document separate those listed into categories such as "Campaign Staff," "Administration," "Appointees," "Donors," "Law Firms," "Endorsers," and "Denouncers." The "Administration" tab contained names of senior advisors in the White House all the way down to the "Chief Calligrapher."


                  For those of us who have seen screen saves and the like it is loaded with threatening language about holding people who ever "took a paycheck" from Trump accountable for doing so.

                  Washington Post columnist, Jennifer Rubin, who also talks of lists, explains what is meant for those who don't grasp it. She's calling for making sure that Trump supporters not be allowed to work or be accepted into "polite society." That Trump supporters should never be allowed to have an important job, platform or position of power ever again.




                  For those of you on the far left who still don't understand, feminist author and columnist for Medium, Jessica Valenti explains what it in terms you'll likely understand:

                  If you give anyone in this administration a job, f-bomb you. If you put them on a panel, f-bomb you. If you in any way give them the benefit of the doubt or a platform to power, f-bomb you.


                  As for AOC herself, she's doubled down, scoffing at the concerns she has raised, sneering in response, "Lol at the 'party of personal responsibility' being upset at the idea of being responsible for their behavior over [the] last four years."

                  And she and her ilk are making sure they pay for what they've done whether it was being nominated to a federal court or merely being the calligrapher at the White House.
                  Last edited by rogue06; 11-10-2020, 06:15 PM. Reason: wrong first name

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    First we had the Bernie bros inside Sander's campaign waxing poetic over the beauty of gulags and the need for reeducating the people if the left took control. (See also Sanders camp mum on pro-gulag staffer, says Iowans 'don't care about political gossip'). Now it is AOC and dreams of creating an "archive" of all the names of Trump supporters so they could be held accountable "for their behavior."

                    And Sunny Hostin, Senior Legal Correspondent and Analyst for ABC News and co-host of the View, which the New York Times called the "most important political talk show in America," supported AOC's idea of making an enemies list of "Trump sycophants" to be punished in their future endeavors. Hostin declared on the View that

                    People like Kirstjen Nielsen, people like Stephen Miller, people like Kellyanne Conway, people like Vice president Mike Pence who was woefully inadequate of his role as the head of the coronavirus task force and people like Ben Carson and Betsy Devos, I don't think those people should be able to profit from their experience within the Trump administration. I don't think they should be forgotten. I don’t think we should look the other way. I think we need to remember because if you don't remember things then past becomes prologue. I do think people need to be held accountable for their actions and I don't think it's reminiscent of McCarthyism at all.


                    Are you or have you ever been a Trump supporter?


                    I should add that Democrats are already taking up AOC’s recommendation and the list that a group run by former staffers for Obama (one of whom is apparently on Biden's transition team) and presidential candidate "Mayor Pete" Buttigieg aren't just targeting upper officials in the Administration but all staffers, appointees and even supporters and donors as well.

                    As an article in the Federalist noted

                    Tacked onto AOC’s inflammatory tweet was a now-deleted reply from a former Obama campaign staffer dealing in analytics, Michael Simon, advertising the "Trump Accountability Project."

                    "Yes we are," he wrote, replying to AOC’s request for a roundup of Trump "sycophants" and linking to the project’s website. "Every Administration staffer, campaign staffer, bundler, lawyer who represented them- everyone."






                    This self-declared "Trump Accountability Project's" extensive enemies list of people they compiled and were already tracking was publicly available until they made it private (probably due in part to complaints about having something like 57 judges on the list).

                    Again from the Federalist article:

                    The list of names was initially published on the project’s website asking people to “remember what they did,” and is now privatized, but captured by internet archives. It shows an extensive Google Sheets document listing off people who the project deems necessary to curb from “profiting from their experience” working with the Trump Administration.

                    Tabs on the document separate those listed into categories such as "Campaign Staff," "Administration," "Appointees," "Donors," "Law Firms," "Endorsers," and "Denouncers." The "Administration" tab contained names of senior advisors in the White House all the way down to the "Chief Calligrapher."


                    For those of us who have seen screen saves and the like it is loaded with threatening language about holding people who ever "took a paycheck" from Trump accountable for doing so.

                    Washington Post columnist, Jennifer Rubin, who also talks of lists, explains what is meant for those who don't grasp it. She's calling for making sure that Trump supporters not be allowed to work or be accepted into "polite society." That Trump supporters should never be allowed to have an important job, platform or position of power ever again.





                    For those of you on the far left who still don't understand, feminist author and columnist for Medium, Jessica Valenti explains what it in terms you'll likely understand:

                    If you give anyone in this administration a job, f-bomb you. If you put them on a panel, f-bomb you. If you in any way give them the benefit of the doubt or a platform to power, f-bomb you.


                    As for AOC herself, she's doubled down, scoffing at the concerns she has raised, sneering in response, "Lol at the 'party of personal responsibility' being upset at the idea of being responsible for their behavior over [the] last four years."

                    And she and her ilk are making sure they pay for what they've done whether it was being nominated to a federal court or merely being the calligrapher at the White House.

                    You forgot to include what that nazi with the fitting name, Robert Reich, said, and that echoes some of the same sentiments. Normally I would dismiss it as trivial when considering how laughable the thought of these leftist beta pansies coming after armed Trump supporters is, until you remember these are the leftists that run Silicon Valley and the social media industry.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Plenty of reasonable people and also plenty of right-wingers on this forum are critical of how unemployment numbers are calculated.

                      And AOC's concern that the quality of jobs is declining isn't unreasonable. Where once someone had a good paying union job in a manufacturing sector, they might now have to work 2 part-time jobs to try and make ends meet, or do what hours they can as an uber-driver, or put up with awful working conditions for low pay in Amazon warehouses etc. AOC's right that the unemployment stat alone doesn't give us a very complete picture of the state of the job market.
                      She said the reason we had lower unemployment is because folks are working 2 jobs this from someone who's major was economics. when anyone who is not an idiot would know that more peopl,e working means lower unemployment period, My view on her still stands
                      Last edited by RumTumTugger; 11-10-2020, 08:55 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post

                        She said the reason we had lower unemployment is because folks are working 2 jobs this from someone who's major was economics. when anyone who is not an idiot would know that more peopl,e working means lower unemployment period, My view on her still stands
                        It is interesting that most of her most serious screw ups involve the area that she promotes as her area of expertise (what she studied in college -- economics and international relations) which is what makes it especially amusing when she declared "I’m not the expert on geopolitics" when asked about some of her screwups in that area.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post


                          You forgot to include what that nazi with the fitting name, Robert Reich, said, and that echoes some of the same sentiments. Normally I would dismiss it as trivial when considering how laughable the thought of these leftist beta pansies coming after armed Trump supporters is, until you remember these are the leftists that run Silicon Valley and the social media industry.
                          I forgot about his call for a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" which is also exactly what MSNBC host Chris Hayes has called for.

                          It's unclear if those after the public show trials will be offered a blindfold as they are led away to the guillotine

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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