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Remember that anonymous "senior staffer" who dished the dirt on Trump in NYT? Well...
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
No, but it means that simply having your picture taken with Trump does not mean you had access too him, which was the point being made.
However, we do know that Miles was on staff, and not simply visiting the President socially, as many were in the photos you posted.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
It's not either/or CD. It means both. It means that you can't use one or two pictures of any person standing next to Trump to prove that person had or didn't have significant access to Trump.
However, we do know that Miles was on staff, and not simply visiting the President socially, as many were in the photos you posted.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
In other words, a photo-op with the President does not prove anything one way or the other.
How about that - we agree ....almost
To be precise, it can serve as supporting evidence along with other facts, but it can't prove anything about their interactions by itself.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You really should read better. I posted no pictures, I merely corrected your statement.
However, misidentifying who made a post is a mistake I make all to often, so I apologize for that error.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
That there are people that did not have any real access to Trump in photo ops with him does not prove that other people in photo ops with trump did not have access to him.
That a person is not extremely close to Trump does not mean he did not have sufficient direct access to him to observe his behavior and make valid conclusions about him.
Keeping Miles' identity anonymous was important at the time. Implying he was higher up in the food chain than he was could have been part of that plan. Again, that doesn't make his observations false.
In fact, we have seen other farther up the food chain (e.g. John Kelly) say basically the same sorts of things about the president.
The real issue is not the precise position of Miles in the office food chain. The issue is how accurate are his observations wrt Trump (and those around him doing their best to reign in Trump's most destructive impulses). And we have ample evidence his observations are spot on, and he was one of the first to speak out on it from inside the white house. Good on him. And the rest of you continuing to ignore these warnings about who Trump is from multiple sources and through multiple paths of relationship and experience are simply living in a fantasy world.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
It's not either/or CD. It means both. It means that you can't use one or two pictures of any person standing next to Trump to prove that person had or didn't have significant access to Trump.
However, we do know that Miles was on staff, and not simply visiting the President socially, as many were in the photos you posted.
It was offered up as evidence of Miles being an insider. I responded to that assertion.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
The point remains: Being in a photo with Trump in the Oval Office means nothing.
It was offered up as evidence of Miles being an insider. I responded to that assertion.Last edited by LiconaFan97; 10-30-2020, 05:14 PM.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
The point remains: Being in a photo with Trump in the Oval Office means nothing.
It was offered up as evidence of Miles being an insider. I responded to that assertion.
Again, the real issue here is that you and those with you are following Trump's lead of characterizing those that expose his mess as being 'disgruntled' or 'unimportant nothings' etc. Which 'could' be true if it was a one off. But it's not. Again, we have seen a parade of people from many different areas of Trumps life, professional and social, tell us the same things. Many of them top men in their field, people of integrity, and people in some cases specifically chosen for their expertise and general commitment to conservative policies and ideals. That so many are telling us the very same things should be a wake up call.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Except that he was on staff. So those two photos show him, as a staffer, interacting with the president in an official capacity,
Whereas many of the photos you posted showed people interacting with the president on a purely social basis as outsiders. There is a difference in meaning and implication.
Again, the real issue here is that you and those with you are following Trump's lead of characterizing those that expose his mess as being 'disgruntled' or 'unimportant nothings' etc. Which 'could' be true if it was a one off. But it's not. Again, we have seen a parade of people from many different areas of Trumps life, professional and social, tell us the same things. Many of them top men in their field, people of integrity, and people in some cases specifically chosen for their expertise and general commitment to conservative policies and ideals. That so many are telling us the very same things should be a wake up call.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Except that he was on staff. So those two photos show him, as a staffer, interacting with the president in an official capacity, Whereas many of the photos you posted showed people interacting with the president on a purely social basis as outsiders. There is a difference in meaning and implication.
Again, the real issue here is that you and those with you are following Trump's lead of characterizing those that expose his mess as being 'disgruntled' or 'unimportant nothings' etc. Which 'could' be true if it was a one off. But it's not. Again, we have seen a parade of people from many different areas of Trumps life, professional and social, tell us the same things. Many of them top men in their field, people of integrity, and people in some cases specifically chosen for their expertise and general commitment to conservative policies and ideals. That so many are telling us the very same things should be a wake up call.Last edited by seanD; 10-30-2020, 05:41 PM.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
A thumbs-up photo op is "official capacity"? Standing in the shadows behind actual staff is "interacting"? I don't think so.
None. There are many more photos of Trump with Kanye West - actually interacting with him. So based on the photos, Kanye knows more about Trump.
And again, the real issue here is, who cares? Leftists are all about words and innuendo and drama. I'm more concerned with actions. Trump's action are all I care about.
blew off the emoluments clause
Has explicitly used the office of president to shore up his businesses
Condemned children of illegal immigrants to in some cases permanent isolation from their parents. In some cases they are now orphans
Apparently pawned those same children off to other governments
has completely botched the coronavirus response, to the tune of at least 100,000 unnecessary deaths and continues to encourage people to act out in ways that WILL result in their deaths.
has undermined the public confidence in the election process
Purposefully sabotaged the USPS as part of his efforts to interfere in the election.
And so, so much more.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
He's not even remotely a senior white house official like they claimed, sorry bud. He had effectively zero access to the inner white house, and his claims are based on hearsay.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
There are pictures of him next to Trump in the oval office. So certainly not zero access.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
I already made the point the pictures alone dont tell much of anything. But add in the fact he was on staff in the white house pictures of him with trump can add weight to the claim he had access to the president as a staffer when otherwise they do not.
Tried to bribe and coerce ukraine in an attempt to get dirt on his rival
blew off the emoluments clause..(snip)
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