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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Here's some more up-to-date information for you...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
It’s relevant here.
I am comfident New Zealand type laws could not stand constitutional muster in the US, and that's a good thing, the US is not like other countries.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, I've read that, and the fact remains, there are no definitive cases of someone contracting the China flu simply because they walked past an infected person in a grocery store, and studies show that such an occurrence is rare to the point that you probably have a better chance of walking outside that same store and getting struck by lightening.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
If both people are wearing masks, you are probably correct.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Maranatha View PostThen look to the US Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of laws passed by the legislature, and that will keep you on track in our form of governance. The powers of these govenor's in their declarative lockdown rules are being limited by their own state supreme courts, like in Michigan, let alone the federal court.
I am comfident New Zealand type laws could not stand constitutional muster in the US, and that's a good thing, the US is not like other countries.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostLockdowns are perfectly constitutional if the legislature allows them.
I haven't seen anything that New Zealand has done, that couldn't have been done in the US, given adequate leadership.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
There is a human behind every article written. All sources are people, even biased ones like yours and others. I read facts of the story, and spin my own tale about it.
There are plenty of sources for this information, without the hyperbole. It's not necessary to poison wells when the largest wells are wholly poisoned.
if you are, I will send you a link to the Hislop interview. Would help you get a bit more grounded in reality.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
Which is exactly why the Michigan governor lost in the courts.
Forced detainment from a Michigan governor is poor leadership, and going against Michigan law, as adjudicated by the Michigan Supreme Court, ruling her leadership decisions unconstitutional. I prefer constitutional leadership.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I was referring to adequate leadership at the federal level.
Trump can no more send in the military to squelch rioting in these states, then he can force all souls in a state to stay home. The federal system just doesn't work like that and you likely know it.
You would only see states fighting against federal overreaching, end up in the Supreme Court, and the states would win.
The president can only do what the law allows, he is quite limited, and "leadership" that just scolds people to stay home is not leadership, it is political. Like Joe.
Let medical science do what it does and don't believe politicians, the medical solution will happen when it happens.Last edited by Maranatha; 11-01-2020, 11:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostI mean, so has most of the US, but okay.
I don't think it had to be that way. New Zealand has avoided it.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
Adequate leadership at the federal level cannot penetrate the state level in this way. These federal agencies can use policy and federal money to try to get states to do their bidding, but in the end it is up to the states. That's why some are open, and some are shut at varying levels.
Trump can no more send in the military to squelch rioting in these states, then he can force all souls in a state to stay home. The federal system just doesn't work like that and you likely know it.
You would only see states fighting against federal overreaching, end up in the Supreme Court, and the states would win.
The president can only do what the law allows, he is quite limited, and "leadership" that just scolds people to stay home is not leadership, it is political. Like Joe.
Let medical science do what it does and don't believe politicians, the medical solution will happen when it happens.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
Then look to the US Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of laws passed by the legislature, and that will keep you on track in our form of governance. The powers of these govenor's in their declarative lockdown rules are being limited by their own state supreme courts, like in Michigan, let alone the federal court.
I am comfident New Zealand type laws could not stand constitutional muster in the US, and that's a good thing, the US is not like other countries.
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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