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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    The conservative mindset doesn't cope well with statistical analysis, it works only on anecdotes and retold and mistold stories and guilt by association. So if there was one Antifa guy that did something, ever, in the history of the world, it makes everyone on the left guilty of everything always. No amount of statistical or scientific proof that the right wing does more violence and terrorism will get through to their minds, because they have their one example. n = 1, thus proven.
    That is just stupid. Your link proved nothing. It certainly did not show that the majority of the violence and looting is not being done by the left. And the unfounded assumption that Antifa members would admit to it. Or even if Antifa members are being caught to any large degree.
    Last edited by seer; 10-25-2020, 08:27 AM.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    There is no evidence that this person organized the protest. He apparently did support Antifa, So what? One person?
    The conservative mindset doesn't cope well with statistical analysis, it works only on anecdotes and retold and mistold stories and guilt by association. So if there was one Antifa guy that did something, ever, in the history of the world, it makes everyone on the left guilty of everything always. No amount of statistical or scientific proof that the right wing does more violence and terrorism will get through to their minds, because they have their one example. n = 1, thus proven.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    Yeah, the guy that killed a Trump supporter in Portland, who declared himself, by his own words, "100 percent Antifa"... magically wasn't Antifa either, rite?
    If they hadn't assassinated him and had instead followed the constitution and arrested and charged him, then yes, presumably the court filings would have reflected his Antifa affiliation, and he would then have been the one exception in the AP analysis.

    What's interesting about that guy was his uniqueness:
    Antifa Protester Implicated in Killing of Trump Supporter in Oregon

    For the first time, a self-identified member of the militant movement known as antifa has been implicated in a fatal shooting...

    Unusual case of lethal violence

    If Reinoehl is implicated in the case, it would mark the first time in recent years that an antifa supporter has been charged with homicide, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University.

    "Unlike the white supremacist and the far right, which glorifies mass violence by loners and small cells against minorities and enemies, hard-left violence has generally been less fatal and more directed towards property, racists and to a lesser extent police and journalists," Levin said.

    Gary LaFree, chairman of the University of Maryland's criminology department, said the case could potentially be included in the university's Global Terrorism Database as the first act of terror linked to antifa.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    One of many. I understand, you don't want to accept that your pet organization are terrorists. But that's why Portland has been using catch and release on rioters. They don't want to be charging fellow antifa loons.
    I have no pet organization, nor do advocate any violence. I already have stated at least several times that violence has occurred by the extreme left, extreme right, and religious extremists. The reference I cited concerning the dominance of of terrorism and violence by extreme right. Your response and that of SeanD are bitter rhetoric without any references to support your assumptions.

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

    There is no evidence that this person organized the protest. He apparently did support Antifa, So what? One person?
    One of many. I understand, you don't want to accept that your pet organization are terrorists. But that's why Portland has been using catch and release on rioters. They don't want to be charging fellow antifa loons.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    Yeah, the guy that killed a Trump supporter in Portland, who declared himself, by his own words, "100 percent Antifa"... magically wasn't Antifa either, rite?
    There is no evidence that this person organized the protest. He apparently did support Antifa, So what? One person?

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    None of the police departments in any of the court filings, made even a single allegation that they had found a connection between the person they'd arrested and Antifa. Not even a single mention of even someone liking a pro-Antifa tweet.

    Given Trump keeps telling his gullible flock that Antifa are behind all these protests, you'd expect that at least one of the 286 people arrested nationwide in the protests would have had some sort of discernable connection to Antifa. Or you would, if we didn't all know Trump is a serial liar.
    Yeah, the guy that killed a Trump supporter in Portland, who declared himself, by his own words, "100 percent Antifa"... magically wasn't Antifa either, rite?

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    If you deliberate ignore incidents of violence committed by the left you will definitely get results like that. I mean even you must realize those numbers are grossly skewed to achieve zero violent incidents by the left this past year.
    The statistics are overwhelmingly that extreme right terrorism is dominating the violence. Your not responding to the facts. You simply have to follow the news of the incidents of extreme right terrorism.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    None of the police departments in any of the court filings, made even a single allegation that they had found a connection between the person they'd arrested and Antifa. Not even a single mention of even someone liking a pro-Antifa tweet.
    So? That does mean they are not leftists.

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  • CivilDiscourse
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    I think there's a huge and important difference, both societally and emotionally, between:

    a) A significant number of average, mainstream, people protesting over a social issue; and

    b) There being an evil organization masterminding terrorism across the US in order to overturn the social order and bring about a Stalinist communist Marxist socialist dystopian state.

    The first is an expression of free speech that's as American as apple pie. The second seems to be the stuff of clutched pearls, nightmares, and pooped diapers among the MAGA crowd. It's concerning that the MAGA crowd's sense of reality is so mis-calibrated that they mistake the first for the second.
    Except, there's a problem with a significant number of mainstream liberals burning, looting, and attacking the police and others. Which is far worse than an evil organization being behind it. I'd rather think it's mainly extremists that are behind those committing violent acts rather than the run-of the mill democrat being behind it.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
    it just means most are just mainstream liberals. Not a better look
    I think there's a huge and important difference, both societally and emotionally, between:

    a) A significant number of average, mainstream, people protesting over a social issue; and

    b) There being an evil organization masterminding terrorism across the US in order to overturn the social order and bring about a Stalinist communist Marxist socialist dystopian state.

    The first is an expression of free speech that's as American as apple pie. The second seems to be the stuff of clutched pearls, nightmares, and pooped diapers among the MAGA crowd. It's concerning that the MAGA crowd's sense of reality is so mis-calibrated that they mistake the first for the second.

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  • CivilDiscourse
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    I see the AP did a big analysis of all the arrests at the 2020 protests...

    AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals

    In 1000s of pages of court documents for the 286 people facing charges, AP found not one single claim that any defendant had a connection to Antifa.

    Pretty amusing given Trump's lies to his gullible cultists about the big scary Antifa running these protests and coming to get everyone.
    Read the article.
    it just means most are just mainstream liberals. Not a better look

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

    The statistics are so extreme right yes the proportion of extreme right terrorism is overwhelmingly dominant.
    If you deliberate ignore incidents of violence committed by the left you will definitely get results like that. I mean even you must realize those numbers are grossly skewed to achieve zero violent incidents by the left this past year.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    They claim zero violence by leftwing groups in 2020. And you believe that?
    The friends and relatives of Aaron "Jay" Danielson would definitely contest that

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    why would they admit that they were Antifa?
    None of the police departments in any of the court filings, made even a single allegation that they had found a connection between the person they'd arrested and Antifa. Not even a single mention of even someone liking a pro-Antifa tweet.

    Given Trump keeps telling his gullible flock that Antifa are behind all these protests, you'd expect that at least one of the 286 people arrested nationwide in the protests would have had some sort of discernable connection to Antifa. Or you would, if we didn't all know Trump is a serial liar.

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