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  • POTUS Debate

    Trump won. He didn't knock it out of the park but he looked much better than Biden, had more information, less babble.

    Kristen Welker was mostly fair, which surprised me.

    Biden really blew it with his energy/environmental plan. He is going to lose a lot of votes with that nonsense.

  • #2
    Yes, a very good debate. Controlled, structured, and the participants were actually allowed to debate. The moderator put Chris Wallace to shame. Trump even complimented her at one point.

    I thought Trump did very well. He was energetic, on point, and gave concise and informative answers, and he relentlessly hammered Joe on his utter ineffectiveness as a career politician.

    Joe didn't have any major gaffes that I heard, but he sounded tired, and by the end, it almost seemed like it took everything he had just to put one word after another. I thought his answers meandered a bit, too, and he never really drove home a solid point. In my opinion, he didn't make a particularly strong case for why he should be president, especially with his inability to pushback on Trump saying, "You had eight years as vice president! Why didn't you do all these wonderful things then?" When Joe weakly responded, "We had a Republican congress," Trump shot right back, "You gotta convince 'em, Joe. That's what I do. That's why I get things done."

    And then there was Trump's brief mention of "the laptop from hell" which Joe absurdly claimed was all part of a Russian plot.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      There was one point where Biden completely wandered off but I can't recall what question he was asked. He went so far off base that Trump had to ask him what he was talking about. I have to look for that one.

      Yeah, the part about the Republican Congress isn't a strong argument. A lot of presidents fight with a hostile Congress and they still get things done, like Trump. Carter was the only POTUS that alienated even his own party and made him mostly ineffective.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        Biden really blew it with his energy/environmental plan. He is going to lose a lot of votes with that nonsense.
        Not really, no. The debate was never going to change a thing.

        The people that were going to vote for Trump before the debate, are still going to vote for him after.

        Ditto Biden.

        Nothing either of them said was going to impact the election in any way.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
          Not really, no. The debate was never going to change a thing.

          The people that were going to vote for Trump before the debate, are still going to vote for him after.

          Ditto Biden.

          Nothing either of them said was going to impact the election in any way.
          In a State -- Commonwealth -- like mine, a few hundred votes in key districts can make a significant electoral difference.
          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

          Beige Nationalist.

          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
            ...
            Yeah, the part about the Republican Congress isn't a strong argument. A lot of presidents fight with a hostile Congress and they still get things done, like Trump. Carter was the only POTUS that alienated even his own party and made him mostly ineffective.
            It's probably hard to come up with on the spur of the moment, but for the first two years of Obama-Biden, "their" party held both houses of Congress, including a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
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            Beige Nationalist.

            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

              In a State -- Commonwealth -- like mine, a few hundred votes in key districts can make a significant electoral difference.
              Sure, and I'd never claim otherwise.

              I'm just skeptical that this debate actually changed people's minds enough that it'd affect the election's outcome. This is obviously just an opinion, but that's mostly what we're talking about here: what we think this debate means. Due to the current political environment, I think it meant even less than usual.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                Not really, no. The debate was never going to change a thing.

                The people that were going to vote for Trump before the debate, are still going to vote for him after.

                Ditto Biden.

                Nothing either of them said was going to impact the election in any way.
                Biden just needed to avoid screwing up too badly, and it sounds like he managed that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                  Biden just needed to avoid screwing up too badly, and it sounds like he managed that.
                  Indeed. And his solid performance should squelch any Alzheimer's' worries people had.

                  Trump's whining got to me after a while. The guy's just a cry-baby, all he does is whine like a pathetic kid. The most powerful person in the world shouldn't be playing the victim all the time, that's just sad.

                  I don't expect this debate to change the polls though, so it ought to be an easy Biden victory in November.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                    Biden just needed to avoid screwing up too badly, and it sounds like he managed that.
                    Pretty much.

                    While it wouldn't have altered my vote - if Drumpf had behaved like this in the first debate, it might have made a difference. As it was, though, his changed demeanor was too little too late.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                      It's probably hard to come up with on the spur of the moment, but for the first two years of Obama-Biden, "their" party held both houses of Congress, including a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
                      Actually, they only had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for a little over 4 months, from when Paul Kirk was sworn in on September 25, 2009, until Scott Brown was sworn in on February 4, 2010.

                      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debun...amas_b_1929869

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        it ought to be an easy Biden victory in November.
                        I wont rest until it's official; I've come to expect that almost anything is possible in this political climate.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          Actually, they only had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for a little over 4 months, from when Paul Kirk was sworn in on September 25, 2009, until Scott Brown was sworn in on February 4, 2010.

                          https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debun...amas_b_1929869
                          Four months is a long time given the number of books written about what various presidents had accomplished during their first hundred days.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                            Biden just needed to avoid screwing up too badly, and it sounds like he managed that.
                            After the first debate, expectations were quite a bit higher this time around, and Joe failed to deliver. Like I said, he sounded weak and tired and never gave any solid reasons why he should be president. Notice that instead of talking about what he's done and referring to his professional accomplishments, which he has none, he kept talking about what he theoretically will do if he wins, which gave Trump multiple openings to interject, "You had over 40-years in the Senate and 8-years as vice president. Why didn't you do anything then?"
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              After the first debate, expectations were quite a bit higher this time around, and Joe failed to deliver. Like I said, he sounded weak and tired and never gave any solid reasons why he should be president. Notice that instead of talking about what he's done and referring to his professional accomplishments, which he has none, he kept talking about what he theoretically will do if he wins, which gave Trump multiple openings to interject, "You had over 40-years in the Senate and 8-years as vice president. Why didn't you do anything then?"
                              So you're going to vote for Trump. But you were going to do that anyway.

                              Joe is way ahead in the polls, and Trump needed to do something to overcome that, or Biden needed to screw up badly to lose that much ground. All I'm hearing is that you think he should have done as much as Senator or Vice President as someone could do as President. I'm not sure that undecided voters (if there are any) will feel the same way. And I'm very sure that Biden supporters are going to disagree.

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