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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And now we come to the "I know you are, but what am I?" portion of our program.
    Yeah, and we'll probably stay there until you pull your head out and come up with a good reason for people to believe there was something non-private in those 30,000 emails.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    And now we come to the "I know you are, but what am I?" portion of our program.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Sure, you can keep your head buried up your backside and ignore the facts if you want.
    Projection.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    As of now, I have no good reason to believe she's lying.
    Sure, you can keep your head buried up your backside and ignore the facts if you want.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
    Unfortunately, the claim made was this:
    That wasn't the claim that I was responding to. I agree that there was classified information on Hillary's server. I just don't think she necessarily knew about it.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    We know the server was illegal because you are not allowed to pass classified information through a system that is not explicitly authorized for that purpose by the appropriate government agencies. Seeing how Hillary's server was secret and lacked even the most basic safeguards to prevent foreign interests from monitoring it in real time, it clearly did not meet the standards established by law.
    The server might not have met some regulations, but simply having it did not break any laws. Perhaps the word you were looking for is "illicit".

    And seeing how Hillary absolutely did instruct her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings means that she was well aware that her janky email system would be used to send and receive sensitive information. Furthermore, as Secretary of State, she was fully briefed on the handling of classified information and was well aware that what was doing was a violation of security protocols.
    What your source says is that she sometimes instructed them to send her the unclassified portions of classified documents. Back before portion markings became required for all classified documents, that would have been pretty risky, since someone might have sent something that he thought was unclassified, but was really classified. That wasn't the case during Hillary's tenure.

    We also know she deleted 30,000 emails which she claimed were "private", but since she went above and beyond to render the data unrecoverable, I guess we'll just have to take her word for it. Do you believe her? Because I sure don't.
    As of now, I have no good reason to believe she's lying.

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  • CivilDiscourse
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    None of them were properly marked classified. Portion markings on an unclassified document can be easily overlooked. (A (TS) might stand out, but there were none.) Or maybe she noticed the portion markings, and realized that they no longer applied, and promptly forgot about them.



    True, there were at least 38 people who put classified information into unclassified emails, primarily for the purpose of expediency. I haven't seen any indication that Hillary was one of them, though I suppose she might have been. Accounts indicate that the State Department had been pretty sloppy about handling classified information since long before Hillary got there.
    Unfortunately, the claim made was this:

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-...intons-emails/
    Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?

    Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.
    None of them were properly marked classified. Portion markings on an unclassified document can be easily overlooked. (A (TS) might stand out, but there were none.) Or maybe she noticed the portion markings, and realized that they no longer applied, and promptly forgot about them.

    “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of the classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,” Comey said.
    True, there were at least 38 people who put classified information into unclassified emails, primarily for the purpose of expediency. I haven't seen any indication that Hillary was one of them, though I suppose she might have been. Accounts indicate that the State Department had been pretty sloppy about handling classified information since long before Hillary got there.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    It wasn't an illegal server.


    Why would she expect to receive classified communications by way of unclassified email?


    I don't believe she instructed her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings before forwarding messages.


    I don't know that she deleted her emails after she was ordered by law enforcement to turn the data over. (I'll grant that it's possible, but it certainly hasn't been proved.)


    In your uninformed opinion.
    We know the server was illegal because you are not allowed to pass classified information through a system that is not explicitly authorized for that purpose by the appropriate government agencies. Seeing how Hillary's server was secret and lacked even the most basic safeguards to prevent foreign interests from monitoring it in real time, it clearly did not meet the standards established by law.

    And seeing how Hillary absolutely did instruct her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings means that she was well aware that her janky email system would be used to send and receive sensitive information. Furthermore, as Secretary of State, she was fully briefed on the handling of classified information and was well aware that what was doing was a violation of security protocols.

    We also know she deleted 30,000 emails which she claimed were "private", but since she went above and beyond to render the data unrecoverable, I guess we'll just have to take her word for it. Do you believe her? Because I sure don't.

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  • CivilDiscourse
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    It had been confidential, but was not at the time the email was sent.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/re...d-information/
    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-...intons-emails/
    Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?

    Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.

    “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of the classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,” Comey said.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
    I'd agree with you but then we both would be morons.

    Simple question: Was any of the stuff sent to his personal emails classified? That was the issue with Hillary's use of a private server. If not this is the epitome of a nothing burger.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Seriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.
    It's pointless arguing with a cultist, but there are others here who might listen.

    Hillary Clinton, by all accounts, struggles with technology even more than the average boomer. You make her sound like some sort of IT super-genius. The reality was she was an ignorant boomer who just wanted her email to work, and was surrounded by yes-men who tried to make that happen for her. Nothing much happened that was outside of what had happened under previous Secretaries of State.

    The Republican psychopaths in congress did 8 investigations into Benghazi just to give them an excuse for digging to try to find a scandal or something to manufacture into a scandal, and they had to make do with "Clinton once sent some emails", which was all a bit pathetic. "Something something, her emails, lock her up!" Sounds fine at a rally, not so fine as a logical argument. Funnily enough, 4 years into Trump's administration, Clinton's not locked up, she hasn't been charged with anything, and there's not even any suggestion that she might be. Because the whole thing was BS to fool the gullible voter base to begin with. Congrats on being among the most gullible.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Come on, she was Secretary of State conducting all of her business on her illegal server,
    It wasn't an illegal server.

    and you're trying to tell me that she didn't think she would ever receive classified communications?
    Why would she expect to receive classified communications by way of unclassified email?

    So why did she instruct her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings before forwarding messages?
    I don't believe she instructed her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings before forwarding messages.

    And why did she delete over 30,000 emails and scrub the hard drives with Bleach Bit after she was ordered by law enforcement to turn the data over?
    I don't know that she deleted her emails after she was ordered by law enforcement to turn the data over. (I'll grant that it's possible, but it certainly hasn't been proved.)

    Seriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.
    In your uninformed opinion.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    The law is arguably pretty clear in this instance. But it is up to the DoJ to charge and prosecute. They whiffed. They were wrong.
    State Department policy evidently does not include referring people for prosecution if they knowingly introduce classified information to an unclassified network. I'm not a lawyer, but this suggests to me that it isn't all that clear.

    The overall principle is applicable. Classified data typically starts out on classified systems. Someone had to transport it from the classified system to Sec. Clinton's unclassified and uncontrolled system. The cases I mentioned above were 2 people who transported classified material from the classified network to a private unclassified system, just like Sec. Clinton.
    The cases you mentioned involved downloading classified information to media, or printing it out, and physically carrying it out of the secure areas. To my knowledge, none of the 38 people implicated by Hillary's emails did that. They simply wrote emails and included information that they knew (or should have known) to be classified. The exception is those 3 emails that contained paragraphs with portion marking, which were evidently copy/pasted from classified call sheets.

    As for Hillary herself, I don't know that she originated any of these classified emails, or that she knew any of the emails that she forwarded contained classified information.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    Saucier knew that what he did was illegal. Even if he hadn't admitted it, it was obvious from the fact that he destroyed his computer, his camera, and an SD card after he was interviewed by the FBI. (And it wasn't his supervisor, it was the supervisor of the town dump in Hampton, Connecticut.)

    In contrast, there is no reason to believe that Hillary knew that there was any classified information on her server.
    Come on, she was Secretary of State conducting all of her business on her illegal server, and you're trying to tell me that she didn't think she would ever receive classified communications? So why did she instruct her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings before forwarding messages? And why did she delete over 30,000 emails and scrub the hard drives with Bleach Bit after she was ordered by law enforcement to turn the data over?

    Seriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.

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