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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Name one.
Okay, he's not currently in jail, but he was in prison for a year for taking six photos while aboard a submarine, which is considered "confidential/restricted" information, the lowest level of classification. He never even showed the pictures to anybody. They were discovered when his supervisor happened to look at his phone. Saucier could have been sentenced for up to 8 years but the judge said he was a good kid who just had a moment of stupidity.
In contrast, Hillary as Secretary of State operated an unauthorized, unsecured private server that trafficked countless highly classified secrets that were intercepted by our enemies. For instance, it was discovered that a state owned Chinese company had real time access to every single email sent and received on Hillary's server. Heck, they were probably reading the emails before Hillary even knew they were in her inbox.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Kristian Saucier
Okay, he's not currently in jail, but he was in prison for a year for taking six photos while aboard a submarine, which is considered "confidential/restricted" information, the lowest level of classification. He never even showed the pictures to anybody. They were discovered when his supervisor happened to look at his phone. Saucier could have been sentenced for up to 8 years but the judge said he was a good kid who just had a moment of stupidity.
In contrast, Hillary as Secretary of State operated an unauthorized, unsecured private server that trafficked countless highly classified secrets that were intercepted by our enemies. For instance, it was discovered that a state owned Chinese company had real time access to every single email sent and received on Hillary's server. Heck, they were probably reading the emails before Hillary even knew they were in her inbox.
In contrast, there is no reason to believe that Hillary knew that there was any classified information on her server.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
There are still unanswered questions. We don’t know anything about the third email that Comey said was improperly marked classified, for example. We’ll update this item if more information becomes available.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
So you disagree with the State Department as to whether these people should be charged. That's fine, but I'm looking for a reason to believe the State Department is wrong.
Neither of those cases is equivalent to someone putting some classified information into an unclassified email and sending it to someone who is authorized to receive that classified information.
(I'm not arguing that this is an acceptable practice, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's the sort of thing anyone has ever been criminally charged for.)That's what
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Yes, IF the document is properly marked classified, then you can assume that the (C) means that the particular paragraph is Confidential. Otherwise, for all you know it was copied from a document where the paragraphs were labeled (A), (B), and (C).
That was the classification when the original document was created. By the time it made it into an email, it was no longer classified. (i.e., it is not the case that once something is classified, it is always classified)That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
The investigation confirmed that the material under the paragraph marking (C) was in fact confidential.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/re...d-information/
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Saucier knew that what he did was illegal. Even if he hadn't admitted it, it was obvious from the fact that he destroyed his computer, his camera, and an SD card after he was interviewed by the FBI. (And it wasn't his supervisor, it was the supervisor of the town dump in Hampton, Connecticut.)
In contrast, there is no reason to believe that Hillary knew that there was any classified information on her server.
Seriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe law is arguably pretty clear in this instance. But it is up to the DoJ to charge and prosecute. They whiffed. They were wrong.
The overall principle is applicable. Classified data typically starts out on classified systems. Someone had to transport it from the classified system to Sec. Clinton's unclassified and uncontrolled system. The cases I mentioned above were 2 people who transported classified material from the classified network to a private unclassified system, just like Sec. Clinton.
As for Hillary herself, I don't know that she originated any of these classified emails, or that she knew any of the emails that she forwarded contained classified information.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostCome on, she was Secretary of State conducting all of her business on her illegal server,
and you're trying to tell me that she didn't think she would ever receive classified communications?
So why did she instruct her staff on how to identify and remove classified markings before forwarding messages?
And why did she delete over 30,000 emails and scrub the hard drives with Bleach Bit after she was ordered by law enforcement to turn the data over?
Seriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSeriously, claiming that Hillary was naive and ignorant is an absurd defense. She was Secretary of State dealing with some the most sensitive and highly classified national security secrets in the country. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was dangerous and against the law.
Hillary Clinton, by all accounts, struggles with technology even more than the average boomer. You make her sound like some sort of IT super-genius. The reality was she was an ignorant boomer who just wanted her email to work, and was surrounded by yes-men who tried to make that happen for her. Nothing much happened that was outside of what had happened under previous Secretaries of State.
The Republican psychopaths in congress did 8 investigations into Benghazi just to give them an excuse for digging to try to find a scandal or something to manufacture into a scandal, and they had to make do with "Clinton once sent some emails", which was all a bit pathetic. "Something something, her emails, lock her up!" Sounds fine at a rally, not so fine as a logical argument. Funnily enough, 4 years into Trump's administration, Clinton's not locked up, she hasn't been charged with anything, and there's not even any suggestion that she might be. Because the whole thing was BS to fool the gullible voter base to begin with. Congrats on being among the most gullible."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
Simple question: Was any of the stuff sent to his personal emails classified? That was the issue with Hillary's use of a private server. If not this is the epitome of a nothing burger.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
It had been confidential, but was not at the time the email was sent.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/re...d-information/
Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?
Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.
“Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of the classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,” Comey said.
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