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  • #31
    Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
    Or the show "Yes Minister/Prime Minster".
    That was one of my favorite shows as a kid.

    If you liked that show too, I highly recommend the Danish TV series Borgen. It gives you quite a different perspective on politics that reflects what the public of a different country think is a plausible depiction of their current political realities / opens your mind as to what is possible in a slightly different political system.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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    • #32
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Considering what Comey, Clapper and McCabe tried to do to him, one can hardly blame him
      One can always blame a president that asks FBI for loyatly.

      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Aside from every president during my lifetime having having questionable friends and associates (to say the least), wrt the latter, as soon as he was informed that Epstein had accosted an underage staffer at Mar-a-Lago he immediately banned him from all of his properties and provided evidence against him when one of Epstein's victims tried to sue him (her lawyer publicly thanked him for being the only one that they had asked for help for assisting them)
      The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct

      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      You mean the son-in-law that accomplished what career diplomats said was impossible? Namely, brokering separate peace accords between Israel and not one, not two, but four different Muslim nations (U.A.E., Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan). And IIRC, he also was instrumental in arranging the Serbia-Kosovo accord as well.
      UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan aren't know for being hotbeds of Jihadist sentiment. My 5 yo nephew could manage that with advisement.

      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Probably not one I would have done if for no other reason than the optics, although it does appear that after serving his two year prison sentence he has lived a fairly exemplarily life, being described as "over-the-top generous," founding two private schools (a pre-K through 8th grade and a High School, both of which were named them after his parents) and the campus of one of Jerusalem's largest hospitals is named after his wife and him due to their donations. It was this post criminal "record of reform and charity" that Trump listed as the reason for the pardon.

      And I find it amusing that part of his conviction was for illegal campaign contributions to Democrats.
      I find it even more amusing that Trump was a pro-life democrat until Stone identified the evangelical demographic that could be manipulated into supporting him with fervor.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by whag View Post
        One can always blame a president that asks FBI for loyatly.
        Again, after what Comey, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Page and the guy in trouble for deliberately altering documents did, he cannot be faulted for that in any serious manner.

        First, the fact that some of them are obvious loons like the one who said he assaulted her aboard a jet full of passengers but somehow nobody noticed.

        Second, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your accusation or at least insinuation about him and Epstein now does it? Moving the goal posts much?

        Originally posted by whag View Post
        UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan aren't know for being hotbeds of Jihadist sentiment. My 5 yo nephew could manage that with advisement.
        You are so full of El Toro poopoo. If it was so easy then why couldn't any of the "professionals" accomplish it? Why were they declaring it was impossible to accomplish and all he'll end up doing is making the situation worse? If it was so easy why didn't the Obamessiah with his Apostles St. Hillary and St. Kerry take care of it?

        Talk about your sour grapes. Just man up, put on your big boy pants and acknowledge that at least in this Trump and his son-in-law accomplished something big -- although it looks like old Joe is now trying to scuttle it.

        Btw, keep in mind that Bin Laden was harbored by Sudan for nearly 5 years where he organized attacks on U.S. soldiers in Somalia, Saudi Arabia. Imad Moughniyeh, the mastermind of the bombing of the marine barracks in Beirut where 241 were killed also hid out in Sudan. According to the U.S. government said that Sudan has harbored the most violent Islamist terrorist groups who all had training camps there.

        Originally posted by whag View Post
        I find it even more amusing that Trump was a pro-life democrat until Stone identified the evangelical demographic that could be manipulated into supporting him with fervor.
        What does this have to do with your declaration that Trump was OMB because he pardoned Roger Stone who you apparently thought was evil since, as you said, he's "a man with a Nixon tattoo on the back of his neck"? It doesn't seem that you are capable of taking a firm stand anywhere, always moving the goal posts, changing the topic and relying on whataboutism (as you hypocritically accuse others of doing). It's like trying to nail Jell-O to a tree[1].


        Still, I'll be the first to acknowledge that at various times Trump has held positions all over the map.
        • He was strongly pro-abortion (saying on Fox News Sunday that he was "totally pro-choice" and in his 2000 book The America We Deserve had “pro-choice instincts”), co-sponsored a dinner honoring a leader of NARAL, and came out against any ban on partial birth abortions saying it was Republican opposition to it that caused him to leave the party.
        • Was rabidly pro-gun control supporting the assault weapons bans (an outright ban on semi-automatic rifles) and calling for longer waiting times before a firearm could be purchased than what Bill Clinton supported.
        • He called for a massive one-time 14.25% "net worth tax" on the wealthy in 1999. In 2009 Trump said that the Democrat's economic stimulus package was "what we need" as a country.
        • He called Romney an immigration hardliner in 2012 (he was anything but) and called for a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens on Bill O'Reilly's Fox News show.

          "You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that."
        • In one of his books he said that the U.S. needed a universal health care modeled on the Canadian system (supporting their single-payer system that is even further to the left than Obamacare!), and called universal health care an "entitlement" from birth and described himself as "very liberal when it comes to health care" on Larry King's old show on CNN.

        Politically he has gone from being a Republican to an Independent, to a Democrat and now back to being a Republican. During his Democrat phase he contributed heavily to Hillary Clinton's campaigns in 2002, 2005, 2006, and 2007 (calling her a fantastic Senator and in 2007 and told CNN's Wolf Blitzer she would "do a good job" negotiating with Iran) as well as the Clinton Foundation. Then he suddenly flip-flopped and said that "Hillary Clinton ‎was the worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States."

        In 2009 Trump said that Obama was "a strong guy who knows what he wants," a person with "the mark of a strong leader," and "totally a champion." He even bestowed the greatest Trumpian honor upon Obama, saying, "I would hire him." He also donated money to Rahm Emanuel and Harry Reid and, in the 2004 and 2006 elections he and his son donated $117,700 to Democrats and $41,500 to Republicans.

        It was one of the main reasons I was Anybody But Trump during the 2016 primaries. I did not trust him one whit. Still, during his presidency he remained consistent and largely did, or at least tried to do, what he had said he would when he was campaigning. It wasn't a case of "The President has kept all the promises he intended to keep" as George Stephanopoulos notoriously told Larry King on his old show in reference to his old boss.




        1. Of course it can be done. Just freeze it & use a long hot nail to melt a hole through it then hammer the nail the rest of the way into the tree

        I'm always still in trouble again

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