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  • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

    Do you really not see that you're begging the question? You're so certain that there is something illegal on the laptop despite us not having seen any of it.
    I thought I just said I don't know everything that's on it.

    Three of those aren't illegal. I have asked time and again to be shown which emails show illegality on the part of Joe Biden in regards to the fourth one and have not been provided anything.

    So again, at what point will you accept that there isn't anything illegal on the laptop? 6 months? 12 months? 4 years? I was promised child torture and rape!
    Not by me.

    Anyway, I just bumped this thread because I was curious if anyone would concede that, as I said repeatedly before the election, the "laptop" was a bust. It seems that the answer is 'no.'
    It hasn't concluded yet. I assume there is enough evidence on there to warrant an investigation ... assuming anyone can get the FBI swamp to do anything except collect paychecks.

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    • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

      I thought I just said I don't know everything that's on it.
      You also said (as you just repeated) that the FBI isn't serious about doing their jobs. You can only reach that conclusion in this case if you assume that there is something damning on the "laptop" that wasn't followed up on.


      It hasn't concluded yet. I assume there is enough evidence on there to warrant an investigation ... assuming anyone can get the FBI swamp to do anything except collect paychecks.
      I really don't know what to say to someone who takes such a low view of the FBI because they think the FBI was mean to a president they supported. You can see all the press releases they put out from successful operations which surely omits much of their work. This is just baffling to me.

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      • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

        You also said (as you just repeated) that the FBI isn't serious about doing their jobs. You can only reach that conclusion in this case if you assume that there is something damning on the "laptop" that wasn't followed up on.
        Well, I'll amend that. They're serious about doing certain things. Anything that smacks of politics they'll slink away from to protect themselves and their jobs. They see Comey and Strozk get their heads handed to them for believing they are anointed to protect American citizens from harming themselves pursuant to their voting habits. So now they won't get involved. Barr won't even comment on the laptop - at all. Scared little weasels. They should take up knitting.

        I really don't know what to say to someone who takes such a low view of the FBI because they think the FBI was mean to a president they supported. You can see all the press releases they put out from successful operations which surely omits much of their work. This is just baffling to me.
        Oh my, they sure to like to hype themselves! Press releases are marketing fodder. We routinely threw them in the trash, or my editor would before I could even read them.

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        • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          Well, I'll amend that. They're serious about doing certain things. Anything that smacks of politics they'll slink away from to protect themselves and their jobs. They see Comey and Strozk get their heads handed to them for believing they are anointed to protect American citizens from harming themselves pursuant to their voting habits. So now they won't get involved. Barr won't even comment on the laptop - at all. Scared little weasels. They should take up knitting.



          Oh my, they sure to like to hype themselves! Press releases are marketing fodder. We routinely threw them in the trash, or my editor would before I could even read them.
          We're going around in circles. You don't know that there was anything truly damaging on the laptop. And we have every reason to suspect that if there were something truly damaging it would have been released before the election (as the not that damaging stuff was). Absence of proof is not proof of absence but absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

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          • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

            We're going around in circles. You don't know that there was anything truly damaging on the laptop. And we have every reason to suspect that if there were something truly damaging it would have been released before the election (as the not that damaging stuff was). Absence of proof is not proof of absence but absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
            There were some allusions to Daddy Biden as "the big guy" in regards to selling influence. That did come out before the election but would require an investigation. That's why I think we haven't heard the last of it.

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            • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              There were some allusions to Daddy Biden as "the big guy" in regards to selling influence. That did come out before the election but would require an investigation. That's why I think we haven't heard the last of it.
              What investigation are you hoping for? You already have the "laptop" and the emails / texts from others as well and Biden's tax returns. What are you actually expecting to find that isn't revealed in those sources?

              Put differently, let's put the worst possible spin on the materials we have (which are obviously going to be the most damaging ones). What specific illegality does it reveal? I keep asking this question and Mountain Man has all but admitted that there is no illegality revealed.

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              • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                What investigation are you hoping for? You already have the "laptop" and the emails / texts from others as well and Biden's tax returns. What are you actually expecting to find that isn't revealed in those sources?

                Put differently, let's put the worst possible spin on the materials we have, which are obviously going to be the most damaging ones. What specific illegality does it reveal?
                The worst possible spin? OK. The "big guy" is Joe Biden, and an investigation turns up that he (and family) were accepting money from the Chinese government (and perhaps Ukraine) while he was vice president as some sort of influence peddling.

                It's possible you missed some or most of this while perusing the mainstream media, which endeavored to black out the whole subject.

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                • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                  The worst possible spin? OK. The "big guy" is Joe Biden, and an investigation turns up that he (and family) were accepting money from the Chinese government (and perhaps Ukraine) while he was vice president as some sort of influence peddling.

                  It's possible you missed some or most of this while perusing the mainstream media, which endeavored to black out the whole subject.
                  What I asked for was the worst possible spin using the information we currently have. It should be easy to find a non-mainstream source which clearly lays out the criminality which was exposed i.e. what specific actions were taken and laws were broken on the basis of the materials we have, which we should expect to be the most damaging ones. Mountain Man utterly failed in that task as will you.

                  I would bet a week's wages I know more about the "laptop" story than you do.

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                  • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                    What I asked for was the worst possible spin using the information we currently have.
                    I thought that's what I did.

                    It should be easy to find a non-mainstream source which clearly lays out the criminality which was exposed i.e. what specific actions were taken and laws were broken on the basis of the materials we have, which we should expect to be the most damaging ones. Mountain Man utterly failed in that task as will you.

                    I would bet a week's wages I know more about the "laptop" story than you do.
                    You admitted that you avoid some media sources after prejudging them, and the MSM barely reported any laptop details, so I would be surprised.

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                    • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                      I thought that's what I did.
                      Show me your evidence Joe Biden received money from China or Ukraine.


                      You admitted that you avoid some media sources after prejudging them, and the MSM barely reported any laptop details, so I would be surprised.
                      I sought out the information because I wanted to know the truth of this story, just look at my posts throughout this thread. I even watched the HB porno (not a sin because I can assure you it is not the least bit titillating). If you think you know more then prove it by pointing me to, specifically, where you see any evidence that Joe Biden received money from Ukraine and China. Surely you're aware that the China deal fell through.

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                      • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                        Show me your evidence Joe Biden received money from China or Ukraine.

                        I sought out the information because I wanted to know the truth of this story, just look at my posts throughout this thread. I even watched the HB porno (not a sin because I can assure you it is not the least bit titillating). If you think you know more then prove it by pointing me to, specifically, where you see any evidence that Joe Biden received money from Ukraine and China. Surely you're aware that the China deal fell through.
                        You keep moving the goalposts. You asked "let's put the worst possible spin on the materials we have, which are obviously going to be the most damaging ones. What specific illegality does it reveal?"

                        That's what I did. I offered the most negative spin on the "big guy" emails. Now you're asking me to prove A, B or C? That's a new question and I already said it will require an investigation.

                        So I'm done here.

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                        • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                          You keep moving the goalposts. You asked "let's put the worst possible spin on the materials we have, which are obviously going to be the most damaging ones. What specific illegality does it reveal?"

                          That's what I did. I offered the most negative spin on the "big guy" emails. Now you're asking me to prove A, B or C? That's a new question and I already said it will require an investigation.

                          So I'm done here.
                          This is false. I did ask for you to give the most negative spin on what we have. You stated that such spin would implicate Joe Biden as "the big guy" (I agree). But just being "the big guy" isn't illegal. It might be illegal if Joe Biden received foreign money. You have not shown that that happened and cannot show that that happened. You are welcome to leave the thread if you choose but it is transparent that your motivation is to avoid the shame of admitting error.

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                          • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                            This is false. I did ask for you to give the most negative spin on what we have. You stated that such spin would implicate Joe Biden as "the big guy" (I agree). But just being "the big guy" isn't illegal. It might be illegal if Joe Biden received foreign money. You have not shown that that happened and cannot show that that happened. You are welcome to leave the thread if you choose but it is transparent that your motivation is to avoid the shame of admitting error.
                            You keep creating new rabbit trails.

                            I already said - several times - it would require an investigation. An investigation would/wouldn't uncover evidence of criminality. The "big guy" reference warrants an investigation.

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                            • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                              You keep creating new rabbit trails.

                              I already said - several times - it would require an investigation. An investigation would/wouldn't uncover evidence of criminality. The "big guy" reference warrants an investigation.
                              So if the answer is that the "laptop" does not provide evidence of criminality then that's fine. What do you think should be more fully investigated to demonstrate that illegality? We have Biden's tax returns so it is false to claim that he received money from China or Ukraine and I'm sure you will be consistent and not demand a further investigation of Biden's taxes. So where can this investigation possibly look?

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                              • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                                So if the answer is that the "laptop" does not provide evidence of criminality then that's fine. What do you think should be more fully investigated to demonstrate that illegality? We have Biden's tax returns so it is false to claim that he received money from China or Ukraine and I'm sure you will be consistent and not demand a further investigation of Biden's taxes. So where can this investigation possibly look?
                                Do you seriously believe someone who illegally collected money would declare it on his taxes?

                                One place the investigation can look is into the corroborating email connections with Hunter's business associates (two have come forward). But I am not an investigator so I don't know all of the rocks that can be looked under.

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