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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post



    An email Hunter Biden received in April 2015 from a Burisma executive discussing an introduction to then-Vice President Joe Biden, which lies at the heart of a New York Post investigation, is unquestionably authentic, a cybersecurity expert told the Daily Caller News Foundation on Thursday.

    The DCNF obtained a full copy of Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday. The DCNF provided Robert Graham, the founder of the cybersecurity firm Errata Security, with a copy of the email and its metadata for forensic analysis.

    Graham, who has been cited as a cybersecurity expert in The Washington Post, the Associated Press, Wired, Engadget and other news and technology outlets, told the DCNF that he used a cryptographic signature found in the email’s metadata to validate that Vadym Pozharsky, an advisor to Burisma’s board of directors, emailed Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015.

    In the email, Pozharsky thanked Hunter Biden for “inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together.”

    The New York Post first reported the email in October, describing it as a “smoking-gun” showing that Hunter Biden had introduced his father to the Burisma executive in 2015.

    The email was sent less than a year before Joe Biden pressured former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire a prosecutor who was reportedly investigating the gas company in return for a $1 billion loan guarantee.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/29/c...burisma-email/
    For reference here's Rob's full blog posting on this (wonder why DC didn't link it). It's mostly a technical discussion about why his authentication is correct.

    He does indeed express the sentiment of the DC story. He also says these things


    Remember that while the email is validated, the context isn't. It's possible this reflects a secret meeting to conspire with Vice President Biden. Or, it's possible the guy attended one of the many Washington D.C. social functions whereby people shake hands with politicians and exchange pleasantries. As Richelieu is claimed to have said "Give me six words by the most honest of men and I'll find something to hang him by". Give me an email dump from the most honest of persons, and I'll pull one out of context to hang them in the court of social media.

    The second is that even if I had a copy of the laptop drive, it's passed through so many hands on the way to me that it's untrustworthy. I mean, if you doubt the "laptop" story to begin, I don't think me having a copy could validate that their story is true.

    I personally have many doubts about where this email came from, and the overall "narrative" they are trying to push. Regardless, I can validate the basic facts about this email.


    Good to my word, now that the email has been validly authenticated I won't dispute that it is legit. I really have no idea why everyone waited for so long to get this authenticated since it would certainly have made this story stronger with something like this in place from the get go. Initially leaking these emails as PDFs only was such a foolish move.

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    • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

      For reference here's Rob's full blog posting on this (wonder why DC didn't link it). It's mostly a technical discussion about why his authentication is correct.

      He does indeed express the sentiment of the DC story. He also says these things


      Remember that while the email is validated, the context isn't. It's possible this reflects a secret meeting to conspire with Vice President Biden. Or, it's possible the guy attended one of the many Washington D.C. social functions whereby people shake hands with politicians and exchange pleasantries. As Richelieu is claimed to have said "Give me six words by the most honest of men and I'll find something to hang him by". Give me an email dump from the most honest of persons, and I'll pull one out of context to hang them in the court of social media.

      The second is that even if I had a copy of the laptop drive, it's passed through so many hands on the way to me that it's untrustworthy. I mean, if you doubt the "laptop" story to begin, I don't think me having a copy could validate that their story is true.

      I personally have many doubts about where this email came from, and the overall "narrative" they are trying to push. Regardless, I can validate the basic facts about this email.


      Good to my word, now that the email has been validly authenticated I won't dispute that it is legit. I really have no idea why everyone waited for so long to get this authenticated since it would certainly have made this story stronger with something like this in place from the get go. Initially leaking these emails as PDFs only was such a foolish move.
      Don't pat yourself on the back. At this point, it's pretty much like admitting water is wet.
      "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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      • Originally posted by seanD View Post

        Don't pat yourself on the back. At this point, it's pretty much like admitting water is wet.
        Correct. Now that evidence has been presented I believe what the evidence indicates. Are you saying I should believe things without evidence just because they confirm my biases?

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        • Apparently ABC has yet to mention a single word about Hunter's laptop.


          For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

          I'm sure they would have done the same if it was Donald Trump Jr.'s



          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Apparently ABC has yet to mention a single word about Hunter's laptop.


            For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

            I'm sure they would have done the same if it was Donald Trump Jr.'s


            I'm still waiting for someone to say what specific crimes Biden committed which these emails revealed. Mountain Man claimed that crimes had been uncovered but that is obviously not true since he still, weeks later, won't tell me what they were or point me to where I can find out. Do you know?

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            • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

              I'm still waiting for someone to say what specific crimes Biden committed which these emails revealed. Mountain Man claimed that crimes had been uncovered but that is obviously not true since he still, weeks later, won't tell me what they were or point me to where I can find out. Do you know?
              Considering the MSM's determined refusal to investigate or even mention it, and Social Media's draconian treatment of those that do, it is hard to tell at this point although there are several likely possibilities -- none of which are good for Biden.

              So, why do you think that they are refusing to discuss, allow discussion, and investigate it aside from them being blatantly partisan?

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Considering the MSM's determined refusal to investigate or even mention it, and Social Media's draconian treatment of those that do, it is hard to tell at this point although there are several likely possibilities -- none of which are good for Biden.

                So, why do you think that they are refusing to discuss, allow discussion, and investigate it aside from them being blatantly partisan?
                Why would the MSM's coverage make a difference in pointing to the specific crimes Biden committed? You still have access to all of the materials released from the laptop.

                As to why they haven't covered it, I've pointed out numerous problems with the laptop story. Even the expert cited by the daily caller, who convincingly authenticated the email he was asked to authenticate, agrees. Among the problems that I've pointed out (there are more if you look farther back in this thread)

                Why has Rudy's story changed from one laptop being repaired to two being repaired to there being at least three laptops out there, not all of which came from the repair shop?
                Why did Rudy change the number of visits to the repair shop from one to two?
                Why does the warranty on the external hard drive allegedly from Hunter indicate it was purchased after he dropped the laptops?
                Why would Rudy confess to possession of child pornography if there really was child porn on the laptop?
                Why wasn't Hunter arrested for child porn by the FBI when they've had possession of the laptop materials for almost a year?
                Why did the FBI only subpoena one laptop if two were repaired?
                If there was truly damaging information on the laptop why hasn't it been released by now?
                Why was a fake dossier on Hunter shopped around a month before the laptop story if the laptop actually contained truly damaging information?
                Why did the Republican controlled Senate agree that Hunter didn't break the law in their recent report?

                These are all questions which need at least a possible explanation before we can take most of the claims about the laptop seriously and probably are why the MSM hasn't reported on it extensively.

                ETA: Also, most MSM outlets were not given access to the raw materials (as in, the hard drive image). NBC asked and were denied access. So if they couldn't independently authenticate things they would be putting their reputation in the NYPosts's hands.
                Last edited by LiconaFan97; 10-31-2020, 11:14 AM.

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                • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post

                  Why would the MSM's coverage make a difference in pointing to the specific crimes Biden committed?
                  So you're just gonna ignore the elephant in the room and keep asking questions the answers to which you could readily get if the MSM was doing its job rather than acting like Biden's Praetorian Guard.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    So you're just gonna ignore the elephant in the room and keep asking questions the answers to which you could readily get if the MSM was doing its job rather than acting like Biden's Praetorian Guard.
                    You ignored the part of my post explaining the numerous problems with the story which probably had a lot to do with why it wasn't picked up. And you're not answering the question I asked -- how is the MSM supposed to find the incriminating information on the hard drive if they didn't have access to it? All they know is what the NYPost and fringe right wing outlets released. If that isn't enough to demonstrate criminality, which you seem to agree with since you haven't pointed me to anything, how is the MSM supposed to find the missing evidence?

                    It wasn't until yesterday that the supposed "smoking gun" email was definitively authenticated (which could have been done from day 1). What criminality does the "smoking gun" email actually demonstrate? Criminality.
                    Last edited by LiconaFan97; 10-31-2020, 12:05 PM.

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                    • https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ection_results


                      But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

                      The New York Times reported that a Post reporter who did much of the work declined to allow his byline to appear on the story.

                      After examining text messages provided by Bobulinski, the Journal reported that “the venture — set up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaign — never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records…show no role for Joe Biden.”

                      Fox News, meanwhile said it “reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.”

                      An NBC News correspondent asked Bobulinski for an interview and for copies of documents in his possession, but he declined.

                      NBC News has sought to obtain the documents on the alleged Hunter Biden laptop, but has been rebuffed.

                      An NBC News correspondent sent a letter two weeks ago to Giuliani, seeking copies of the materials.

                      His lawyer, Robert Costello, granted the correspondent the opportunity to review some Hunter Biden emails and other materials in person. The materials included copies of Hunter Biden identification documents that appeared to be genuine. But without taking possession of the copies, it was not possible to conduct the sort of forensic analysis that might help authenticate the emails and documents.

                      It was Giuliani who ultimately told NBC News he would not be providing a copy of the hard drive. NBC News responded by asking if, instead of a full copy of the hard drive, he could just provide copies of the full set of emails. Giuliani did not agree to that proposal. NBC News then declined an offer of copies of a small group of emails.

                      NBC News attempted to speak to Mac Isaac, but he did not respond to requests for comment. NBC News published an article quoting responses he had given to The Daily Beast. His lawyer then sent NBC News a letter that said, “Your network and affiliates should cease any further discussion of Mr. Mac Isaac as much of the information you are presenting is false.”


                      People have tried to investigate this story and have been denied access to the materials necessary. And when Fox and WSJ did get access they were unconvinced that they provided evidence of wrongdoing. And nothing which has been released demonstrates criminality. This is a dry well.

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                      • I'm not sure whether I'm surprised that this story hasn't been posted here yet, or whether its absence is an attempt to confirm this forum's right-wing agenda:

                        https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker...er-biden-alone

                        Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who has obsessively covered Hunter Biden’s emails since the story exploded in conservative media earlier this month, suddenly said on Thursday night that he didn’t want to be involved with “piling on” Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s son.

                        In recent weeks, following the New York Post reporting on unverified material purportedly obtained from a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, Carlson has been at the forefront of Fox News’ coverage of the story while accusing the Bidens of corruption.

                        [...]

                        “There are a lot of documents about Hunter Biden’s personal life that we haven’t brought to you and we are not going to and we will tell you why,” he said, noting the obvious reason that Hunter is not running for president.

                        “But Hunter Biden is a fallen man at this point,” Carlson stated, adding that he once knew the younger Biden well.

                        “I never thought Hunter Biden was a bad person,” he concluded. “I thought he had demons but in the time I knew him he kept them mostly under control. At some point, he lost control of those demons and the world knows that now. He's now humiliated and alone. Probably too strong to say we feel sorry for Hunter Biden, but the point is pounding on a man, jumping on, and piling on when he's already down is something we don't want to be involved in.”
                        This'd be hilarious if it wasn't so cravenly dishonest.

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                        • Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                          I'm not sure whether I'm surprised that this story hasn't been posted here yet, or whether its absence is an attempt to confirm this forum's right-wing agenda...
                          A link to that video was posted earlier in the thread, so nobody here is trying to hide it. Furthermore, Tucker is right. If he wanted to pile-on, there is a lot more salacious stuff that has been discovered and verified that he could be reporting on -- and I mean some really creepy, perverted stuff, things that I hesitate to even reference or link to -- but Tucker is choosing to focus only on Hunter's shady business deals and Joe's direct knowledge and involvement while serving as vice president.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                            I'm not sure whether I'm surprised that this story hasn't been posted here yet, or whether its absence is an attempt to confirm this forum's right-wing agenda:

                            https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker...er-biden-alone



                            This'd be hilarious if it wasn't so cravenly dishonest.
                            Link to video.

                            No "rightwing agenda," just your paranoia.
                            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              A link to that video was posted earlier in the thread, so nobody here is trying to hide it. Furthermore, Tucker is right. If he wanted to pile-on, there is a lot more salacious stuff that has been discovered and verified that he could be reporting on -- and I mean some really creepy, perverted stuff, things that I hesitate to even reference or link to -- but Tucker is choosing to focus only on Hunter's shady business deals and Joe's direct knowledge and involvement while serving as vice president.
                              Way back in this thread you said clear evidence of criminality had been released. Why haven't you told me what laws Joe Biden broke? Why isn't Tucker reporting on the laws Joe Biden broke? Why did Fox and WSJ conclude that no laws were broken? Why is everyone holding back on the things which would actually have made a difference in the election?

                              You guys have complained for years that everyone was magnifying every corrupt claim against Trump. Why not respond in kind?

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                              • Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
                                It wasn't until yesterday that the supposed "smoking gun" email was definitively authenticated (which could have been done from day 1). What criminality does the "smoking gun" email actually demonstrate? Criminality.
                                If it's a real email, it demonstrates that Hunter Biden once invited a person to visit D.C.

                                ...

                                LOCK HIM UP! And lock up his father too!


                                It's kinda hilarious to watch the nutters in this forum acting like they've got proof of serious crimes when they've got a single innocent email that doesn't even remotely hint at any criminal behavior. They can't name the crimes they're alleging because other than them wishing there were some evidence to point to some crimes of some kind, they've got nothing at all.

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