The Biden Burisma Connection...

[Mountain Man]

Circling back around to this claim that...

WSJ Newsroom Found No Joe Biden Role in Hunter Deals After Reviewing Bobulinski's Records

https://www.newsweek.com/wsj-newsroo...ecords-1541553

Turns out that's not exactly true (cue Barney Fife saying, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!").

While Joe's name may not be explicitly mentioned in the emails, there are cryptic references to "the big guy" which Bobulinski has confirmed is referring to Joe. Furthermore, there is a text message from one of Hunter's other business partners to Bobulinski with the warning, "Don't mention Joe being involved," so deliberate steps were taken to keep Joe's name out of it despite the fact that he was directly involved in the dealings.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...tions-n2578713

[CivilDiscourse]

Circling back around to this claim that...


Turns out that's not exactly true (cue Barney Fife saying, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!").

While Joe's name may not be explicitly mentioned in the emails, there are cryptic references to "the big guy" which Bobulinski has confirmed is referring to Joe. Furthermore, there is a text message from one of Hunter's other business partners to Bobulinski with the warning, "Don't mention Joe being involved," so deliberate steps were taken to keep Joe's name out of it despite the fact that he was directly involved in the dealings.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...tions-n2578713

Remember how much they love "Individual -1"

[Mountain Man]

Remember how much they love "Individual -1"

Democrats spent years investigating a "scandal" that literally didn't exist (which begs the question, what was Mueller and his goon squad really doing during that time?), but now that we have actual, hard evidence of the Biden family's corruption, all of a sudden liberals are raising the evidentiary bar to impossible heights.

[LiconaFan97]

Democrats spent years investigating a "scandal" that literally didn't exist (which begs the question, what was Mueller and his goon squad really doing during that time?), but now that we have actual, hard evidence of the Biden family's corruption, all of a sudden liberals are raising the evidentiary bar to impossible heights.

Pages back you claimed that Biden had been implicated in crimes. What crimes were those?

Also, if Rudy claimed those three notables have given him the hard drive image would the release of the emails be strong evidence that that actually happened?

[LiconaFan97]

The emails reference the "Big Guy," meaning Joe, receiving percentages of the deals that we're made, and the eyewitness corroborates the fact he was leveraging his position to profit. I mean how many times do we all have to go over this. Personally, I'm done with that, so you can have the last word about it.

You implied emails weren't required, not that they were, meaning there's sufficient evidence without emails to get me to support an investigation of corruption of the Trump family. I still don't agree there's sufficient evidence and the Dems are just fishing through his private records for anything they can find because they have no evidence. Just because they get some corrupt judge (who probably has TDS) to sign off on it means nothing to me. We've come full circle, so I'll just repeat what I said before. If they find similar emails on Trump Jr's laptop (or any Trump family member), an unusual jump in net worth, and a business partner who comes out and says Trump and his family are corrupt and abused his last four years in office, then I'll support an investigation.

I appreciate the discussion. My last word is simply that the emails don't show proof of illegality. NY Post and Breitbart have something like 40000 emails they can examine and so far they don't really show much. And even if it can be shown that Biden did make money somehow there is still a very high bar to demonstrate actual illegality on his part. Shokin was fired in 2016 so Republicans had around three years of total control of Congress during which they could have investigated him if his actions really were problematic. I don't know when he was first accused of wrongdoing but I don't remember hearing about it until we started hearing about Trump's actions in Ukraine. That seems suspicious as to whether Biden really acted improperly.

[Mountain Man]

Pages back you claimed that Biden had been implicated in crimes. What crimes were those?

Pages back I told you that you obviously haven't bothered to read any of the numerous sources that have been referenced throughout this thread, and that it would be worth your time to actually go back and read them if you want to become better informed.

[LiconaFan97]

Pages back I told you that you obviously haven't bothered to read any of the numerous sources that have been referenced throughout this thread, and that it would be worth your time to actually go back and read them if you want to become better informed.

Obviously I've read most of them or else I couldn't be pointing out their flaws.

Are you stating unambiguously that if I go back and read those two which I skipped they will clearly lay out what crimes Biden committed? It was your direct claim that crimes had been demonstrated.

And are you conceding the point that your analogy (which you hastily edited when it became clear it was flawed) doesn't work?

[Mountain Man]

Obviously I've read most of them ...

Obviously you haven't, or you wouldn't keep asking ridiculous questions.

And are you conceding the point that your analogy (which you hastily edited when it became clear it was flawed) doesn't work?

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hastily edit anything.

[LiconaFan97]

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hastily edit anything.

It seems like you didn't. I swear I saw that it had changed but it doesn't look like it. Apologies.

Are you stating unambiguously that if I go back and read those two articles which I skipped they will clearly lay out what crimes Biden committed?

If Rudy claimed those three notables had given him the emails would the release of the emails be strong evidence that that happened?

[seanD]

Democrats spent years investigating a "scandal" that literally didn't exist (which begs the question, what was Mueller and his goon squad really doing during that time?), but now that we have actual, hard evidence of the Biden family's corruption, all of a sudden liberals are raising the evidentiary bar to impossible heights.

It's exactly like the Tara Reade vs. Christine Blasey Ford accusation and it just exemplifies the fact they have no principles whatsoever. With Christine Blasey Ford, all the left needed was some wacko woman's claim about what happened, even in spite of no witness corroboration, and in addition to the fact witnesses even contradicted her story. With Tara Reade, we had her claim, multiple witnesses, including a video of her mother's confession on a talk show, records proving when and where she worked at the time she claimed it happened, rape accusations against Biden from other women, and videos and photos of Biden creepily groping females. To the left, that still wasn't enough. They're a joke.

[Mountain Man]

More commentary from the venerable Peter Schweizer (emphasis mine):

"Not only did Hunter Biden, and in some cases, Joe Biden’s brothers, who also got foreign deals, not have any experience or expertise in these deals that they struck. It’s really stunning, Sean, all of these deals happened while Joe Biden was vice president of the United States. They didn’t happen before. They didn’t happen all the other time that Joe Biden was around. It only happened once he became a central player in American foreign policy."

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020...oreign-policy/

[LiconaFan97]

So, I've seen a sex tape claimed to be of Hunter Biden. I can provide a link to a page which has a link on it you can click if you are interested (i.e. I wouldn't be directly linking the video). Need a mod to ok that first though. Genitals are (poorly) blurred.

The video quality is not that great so it's pretty hard for me to tell if it's Hunter Biden or not as his face is mostly in shadow. There are a few moments where he leans so that his face is better lit and it looks at least plausible that it's Hunter. I don't know what Hunter's voice sounds like so I can't compare the voice of the man in the video speaking against Hunter's actual voice. You only see the female's face, poorly lit, for a few seconds near the end. She looks on the younger side but looks like she's over 18 to me. The man is seen smoking what appears to be a crack pipe in the video.

So all of you who like to claim I'm not open to evidence can take a hike.

[Mountain Man]

Latest story making the rounds: China releases a crack smoking Hunter sex tape. Now of course the go-to excuse for delusional liberals is "Good thing Hunter isn't running for president!" but ask yourself, what other dirt do our enemies have on the Biden family, and what compromises would a President Joe be willing to make to keep that dirt from being made public?

[LiconaFan97]

Latest story making the rounds: China releases a crack smoking Hunter sex tape. Now of course the go-to excuse for delusional liberals is "Good thing Hunter isn't running for president!" but ask yourself, what other dirt do our enemies have on the Biden family, and what compromises would a President Joe be willing to make to keep that dirt from being made public?

I think that's a fair question. One of the problems over the past two weeks has been claiming things which are extreme and don't appear to be true (that Hunter's laptop contained child porn, that the emails show proof of actual criminality). It sets expectations really high and then when they aren't met sells short the actual information.

But I'm not sure that Joe can be blackmailed. All of the information is in Rudy's hands and obviously the most damaging stuff won't be held back for after the election. So this what we see up to Novermber 3rd is probably the extent of the actually juicy stuff.

Actually, your statement kind of contradicts the official story that all this material came from Hunter's laptop. If it did then only Rudy, the FBI, and the Delaware police have copies.

[Mountain Man]

I think that's a fair question. One of the problems over the past two weeks has been claiming things which are extreme and don't appear to be true (that Hunter's laptop contained child porn, that the emails show proof of actual criminality). It sets expectations really high and then when they aren't met sells short the actual information.

But I'm not sure that Joe can be blackmailed. All of the information is in Rudy's hands and obviously the most damaging stuff won't be held back for after the election. So this what we see up to Novermber 3rd is probably the extent of the actually juicy stuff.

Actually, your statement kind of contradicts the official story that all this material came from Hunter's laptop. If it did then only Rudy, the FBI, and the Delaware police have copies.

Just keep your head buried in the sand. It will all be over soon.