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  • #31
    It's just the weeding out of primitive Neanderthal genes from the gene pool.
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Federalist.

    Nationalist Christian.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

    Proud member of the this space left blank community.

    Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

    Justice for Matthew Perna!

    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

      In case anyone's wondering, the president declaring covid-19 a political hoax has had negative consequences.
      C'mon Toasty, this isn't what he said.

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/polit...eck/index.html
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

        In case anyone's wondering, the president declaring covid-19 a political hoax has had negative consequences.

        M, the pandemic is real, and political attacks by the president on the science don't make the science political any more than religious attacks on the theory of evolution make the theory of evolution religious. It's a virus, it doesn't care about your politics. It doesn't care about your religion. It's a virus. It doesn't care. Period.

        It can be measured and investigated like any other disease. It has been. Denying the science of epidemiology is tantamount to denying the theory of gravity. If you behave like it's not real, if you preach that it's not real, it will kill you, and it will kill those close to you.

        The head of the White House security office is critically ill with Covid-19
        .
        The security office head, Crede Bailey, whose office handles a number of duties, including approving certain security clearances, coordinating with the Secret Service and handling credentials for people to be able to come onto the White House grounds, was taken to the hospital in late September, the administration official said.

        ...

        On Tuesday, the Pentagon announced that Adm. Charles Ray, the vice commandant of the Coast Guard, had tested positive. Admiral Ray also attended the White House reception, Defense Department officials said.

        Nearly every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is now in quarantine in their homes or in other locations, officials said, after having contact with people who have tested positive.

        This is not a time to play politics with science. This is a time to let science guide your politics.
        Did you just say don't get political with the China Virus?

        I don't know whether to laugh or marvel at your lack of awareness.

        In case you were wondering, the President never said the China Virus was a hoax.

        Quit being political wit it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
          In case anyone's wondering, the president declaring covid-19 a political hoax has had negative consequences.
          C'mon Toasty, this isn't what he said.

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/polit...eck/index.html
          That's an article about a Biden ad, and does not contradict the fact that Drumpf literally called Democrat criticism of his handling of the pandemic a hoax.

          Juvenal's right: there've been political consequences for the president's sloppy claim, and that's not even including Drumpf supporters who STILL think the pandemic doesn't exist.
          Last edited by Whateverman; 10-14-2020, 08:29 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

            C'mon Toasty, this isn't what he said.

            https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/polit...eck/index.html
            What Trump said was weasel-worded at best, and even if considered generously, is not how his supporters, like M, have read it, as M's post makes clear. M didn't say putting the blame on Trump would end after the election, he said the pandemic would end. That's a deeply dangerous mistake to be making in the middle of a pandemic, which is why I pointed it out. Covering for the president in this case is inappropriate. First, preserve lives, then worry about preserving reputations, assuming they deserve preservation.

            Don't forget I ran the numbers on this following a deep dive into the epidemiology models and reports. We could have held the deaths to under 100,000 by mandating NPIs to bring the case counts down and recruiting contact tracers to keep them down. We didn't. We did nothing. We had no national policy, just a piece-work of states competing against each other for resources, trying to set their own policies while the president actively opposed them.

            His "Liberate Michigan" encouragement resulting in armed gangsters infesting the state house, and then, further encouraged, turning to plots to kidnap the governor. The very same people who infested the state house plotted to kidnap the governor, Bill. The president's response to the pandemic has been, objectively and literally, a horror show that's racked up a hundred thousand excess deaths to date and is set to rack up hundreds of thousands more by most optimistic projections.

            Understand that at any time, starting now, even, we could adopt policies to hold additional deaths to under 100,000, which will not happen under the policies currently in place.

            This isn't politics. This is arithmetic.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
              It's just the weeding out of primitive Neanderthal genes from the gene pool.
              Neanderthals could and did survive in circumstances where I doubt you would last a week.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #37
                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                It's just the weeding out of primitive Neanderthal genes from the gene pool.
                Um, so you support eugenics via mass deaths?

                Which part of your alleged Christian love for others do you see that aligning with?
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                  It's just the weeding out of primitive Neanderthal genes from the gene pool.
                  What are you talking about?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post

                    That's an article about a Biden ad, and does not contradict the fact that Drumpf literally called Democrat criticism of his handling of the pandemic a hoax.

                    Too bad that's not what Juvie said.


                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                      What Trump said was weasel-worded at best, and even if considered generously, is not how his supporters, like M, have read it, as M's post makes clear. M didn't say putting the blame on Trump would end after the election, he said the pandemic would end. That's a deeply dangerous mistake to be making in the middle of a pandemic, which is why I pointed it out. Covering for the president in this case is inappropriate. First, preserve lives, then worry about preserving reputations, assuming they deserve preservation.

                      Don't forget I ran the numbers on this following a deep dive into the epidemiology models and reports. We could have held the deaths to under 100,000 by mandating NPIs to bring the case counts down and recruiting contact tracers to keep them down. We didn't. We did nothing. We had no national policy, just a piece-work of states competing against each other for resources, trying to set their own policies while the president actively opposed them.

                      His "Liberate Michigan" encouragement resulting in armed gangsters infesting the state house, and then, further encouraged, turning to plots to kidnap the governor. The very same people who infested the state house plotted to kidnap the governor, Bill. The president's response to the pandemic has been, objectively and literally, a horror show that's racked up a hundred thousand excess deaths to date and is set to rack up hundreds of thousands more by most optimistic projections.

                      Understand that at any time, starting now, even, we could adopt policies to hold additional deaths to under 100,000, which will not happen under the policies currently in place.

                      This isn't politics. This is arithmetic.
                      I'm not interested in haggling. I'm just correcting your statement.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post


                        Too bad that's not what Juvie said.

                        You didn't contradict anything "Juvie" said.

                        "the president declaring covid-19 a political hoax" is exactly what Juvenal said, and it's 100% accurate. That's what the so-called president did.

                        No link about a Joe Biden ad has the power to contradict that.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post

                          What are you talking about?
                          This weird little gem.
                          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                          Beige Federalist.

                          Nationalist Christian.

                          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                          Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                          Justice for Matthew Perna!

                          Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            NYT: Experts Confident Pandemic To Be Over ‘Far Sooner’ Than Expected, Trump Efforts ‘Working With Remarkable Efficiency’

                            A new report from The New York Times indicates that experts have “genuine confidence” that the coronavirus pandemic will end “far sooner” than originally expected and that President Donald Trump’s Operation Warp Speed — the administration’s efforts to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics — has been “working with remarkable efficiency.”

                            https://www.dailywire.com/news/nyt-e...ble-efficiency

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/h...-optimism.html
                            Foolish wishful thinking that exceeds Trump's cavalier optimism.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

                              I'm not interested in haggling. I'm just correcting your statement.
                              Your link supports my statement. Did you read it?
                              .
                              The next day Trump was asked about this comment and tried to clarify what he said, claiming he was "referring to the action that [the Democrats] take to try and pin this on somebody, because we've done such a good job. The hoax is on them."

                              Seriously, did you read it?
                              .
                              That said, Trump's clarification has not stopped some of his supporters from believing the pandemic is, in fact, a hoax. One Trump supporter attending a campaign rally in Michigan on September 10 was asked by CNN's Jim Acosta why he was not wearing a mask. "Because there's no Covid," he said. "It's a fake pandemic created to destroy the United States of America."

                              Your correction, such as it was, provided cover for a poster claiming the current pandemic is a hoax.

                              That's not right, Bill. That's not right.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                                Your link supports my statement. Did you read it?
                                .
                                The next day Trump was asked about this comment and tried to clarify what he said, claiming he was "referring to the action that [the Democrats] take to try and pin this on somebody, because we've done such a good job. The hoax is on them."

                                Seriously, did you read it?
                                .
                                That said, Trump's clarification has not stopped some of his supporters from believing the pandemic is, in fact, a hoax. One Trump supporter attending a campaign rally in Michigan on September 10 was asked by CNN's Jim Acosta why he was not wearing a mask. "Because there's no Covid," he said. "It's a fake pandemic created to destroy the United States of America."

                                Your correction, such as it was, provided cover for a poster claiming the current pandemic is a hoax.

                                That's not right, Bill. That's not right.
                                Nothing in your response refutes what I said. Trump did NOT call the virus a hoax. I don't care what others interpreted him as saying. He didn't say it. Full stop.
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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