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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Now we're back to the "It's not obscene, you just have a dirty mind" defense. And the devil continues to whisper in our ears.
    Don't duck, please. You've suggested there's an obviously better way to address the issue. I'm open to hearing it, and to being convinced.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    They're just dance moves for the kids. The immorality is in the reactions from adults.
    Now we're back to the "It's not obscene, you just have a dirty mind" defense. And the devil continues to whisper in our ears.

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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Please tell me you can think of a better way to teach about the immorality of certain behaviors other than getting a group of young girls together and filming them actually engaging in that immoral behavior.
    They're just dance moves for the kids. The immorality is in the reactions from adults. As you'd know, if you'd chosen to watch the movie before sharing a meaningless reaction based on an avoidable ignorance. Personally, I enjoy writing strongly worded letters to the editor, and so do the half dozen people I can depend upon to read them. Feel free to share your better way.

    Who knows, you might convince me.

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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    The movie is a fictional story, but the young female actors are real children who had to actually dress provocatively and dance suggestively in order to portray that fictional story, which means that the director was actually sexually exploiting children in order to make a fictional story about how sexual exploitation of children is "bad."
    We've already stipulated you haven't seen the movie. You don't have to keep proving it again and again.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    So you agree it is wrong in the movie then? Good.
    No.

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
    Get some help. You're starting to sound like one of the lunatics on a forum we both used to frequent who were incapable of making a post without some idiotic attack on the left.

    Do you really imagine that the child beauty pagaent phenomenon is solely of the left? If so, you are seriously deluded - particularly seeing it is very strong in the south, a predominantly conservative area. But then, if you admitted that, you wouldn't have a childish slur to throw at the left, would you?
    yawn

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    Because I've seen the film I know that's a misrepresentation. Because you haven't, you don't, which makes your statements not merely dishonest, but recklessly so. Why do you feel — and why not go there — as a Christian — that the actual behavior that's occurring in our society, which we both agree should be stopped, is best addressed by sweeping it under the rug?

    This film is a fictional account of actual events in the life of the director. The fiction is that in real life, the behavior is being approved.

    You're fighting for the wrong side on this one, Sparkles.



    This isn't about a rape movie, and your need to go there says you didn't think your misrepresentation of the actual film, even if it weren't a misrepresentation, had enough merit. And on that, you were right.
    The movie is a fictional story, but the young female actors are real children who had to actually dress provocatively and dance suggestively in order to portray that fictional story, which means that the director was actually sexually exploiting children in order to make a fictional story about how sexual exploitation of children is "bad."

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    Just like all those American Little Miss Beauty Pageants only those contestants are sometime not even six years old.


    So you agree it is wrong in the movie then? Good.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    When we were young, we used to think if we closed our eyes, problems would magically go away. In the world of adults, we know that doesn't work.
    So I should bring drugs home and have my kids try them so they can understand that drugs are bad? Or family movie night should feature a hardcore pornographic movie so my kids can see for themselves that hardcore pornography is immoral? Perhaps I should teach my 12-year old daughter sexually proactive dances so she can learn that it's wrong for a 12-year old girl to perform sexually provocative dances.

    Please tell me you can think of a better way to teach about the immorality of certain behaviors other than getting a group of young girls together and filming them actually engaging in that immoral behavior.

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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And you think the best way to address objectionable behavior in society is to create a film in which little girls actually engage in said objectionable behavior while other characters look on with disapproval?

    I honestly can not wrap my head around such backwards thinking.
    When we were young, we used to think if we closed our eyes, problems would magically go away. In the world of adults, we know that doesn't work.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    Because I've seen the film I know that's a misrepresentation. Because you haven't, you don't, which makes your statements not merely dishonest, but recklessly so. Why do you feel — and why not go there — as a Christian — that the actual behavior that's occurring in our society, which we both agree should be stopped, is best addressed by sweeping it under the rug?

    This film is a fictional account of actual events in the life of the director. The fiction is that in real life, the behavior is being approved.

    You're fighting for the wrong side on this one, Sparkles.



    This isn't about a rape movie, and your need to go there says you didn't think your misrepresentation of the actual film, even if it weren't a misrepresentation, had enough merit. And on that, you were right.
    Well written.

    Furthermore this behaviour is invariably being pumped out at young girls by large for-profit corporations including the advertising industry, social media, the fashion industry, magazine publishers, various websites, and the music industry.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    Because I've seen the film I know that's a misrepresentation. Because you haven't, you don't, which makes your statements not merely dishonest, but recklessly so. Why do you feel — and why not go there — as a Christian — that the actual behavior that's occurring in our society, which we both agree should be stopped, is best addressed by sweeping it under the rug?
    And you think the best way to address objectionable behavior in society is to create a film in which little girls actually engage in said objectionable behavior while other characters look on with disapproval?

    I honestly can not wrap my head around such backwards thinking.

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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    so it is OK to actually show over sexualization of children making provocative sexual moves (meaning the young actresses actually had to DO it in order to be filmed) if the other actors in the film disapprove of it??
    Because I've seen the film I know that's a misrepresentation. Because you haven't, you don't, which makes your statements not merely dishonest, but recklessly so. Why do you feel — and why not go there — as a Christian — that the actual behavior that's occurring in our society, which we both agree should be stopped, is best addressed by sweeping it under the rug?

    This film is a fictional account of actual events in the life of the director. The fiction is that in real life, the behavior is being approved.

    You're fighting for the wrong side on this one, Sparkles.

    So if they made a movie where they actually raped women on camera in order to show that rape is bad, that would be OK too?
    This isn't about a rape movie, and your need to go there says you didn't think your misrepresentation of the actual film, even if it weren't a misrepresentation, had enough merit. And on that, you were right.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    so it is OK to actually show over sexualization of children making provocative sexual moves (meaning the young actresses actually had to DO it in order to be filmed) if the other actors in the film disapprove of it??
    Just like all those American Little Miss Beauty Pageants only those contestants are sometime not even six years old.



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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    Correct.

    Just like 'Cuties/Mignonnes'. Period.
    There we have to disagree.

    Plastering your four year old in make-up, giving her an adult woman's coiffeur, dressing her in various provocative costumes, and then having her gyrate, bump and grind on a stage in the hope that you might win the car, the holiday, or the cash is detestable and consumerist capitalism at its worst where the child is effectively used by the parents as a cash cow.

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