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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
Who is judging you but yourself? It is certainly not me.
If you have a problem with the Son saying the will of the Father is to believe the Son, then your problem is not with me.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
My friend, I trust you are not talking about me.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostY
You seem very confident that you are fully cognizant with the mind of God. Is that not just a little presumptuous?
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Originally posted by mossrose View Post
I just LOVE when unbelievers think they are quoting scripture to believers as if they understand it.
If you know anything about God, you know He is righteous and just along with being loving. He also hates sin. And His judgment will fall on unbelievers. That is why Jesus came, to reconcile sinners to God. In His human body He showed love for others, but He also showed judgment. Don't forget about those passages in your holier-than-thou smugness.
And the passage about not judging? That's referring to making judgments based on something that you yourself is guilty of, and it is also referring to judging other believers.. You can't judge another believer when you are guilty of the same thing you are judging them for. It is NOT referring to believers judging unbelievers for their lack of belief as shown in their words and actions.
If you're going to quote scripture, at least get the context right, and stop cherry-picking to support your view.
Oh, and God will judge you for your unbelief. Be very sure of that. So I suggest you get familiar with His wrath now and turn to belief before you die, because you will certainly feel His wrath then.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
The two great commandments my friend and the two are simply one: Love.- Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.
- Love your neighbor as yourself.
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YOriginally posted by mossrose View Post
I just LOVE when unbelievers think they are quoting scripture to believers as if they understand it.
If you know anything about God, you know He is righteous and just along with being loving. He also hates sin. And His judgment will fall on unbelievers. That is why Jesus came, to reconcile sinners to God. In His human body He showed love for others, but He also showed judgment. Don't forget about those passages in your holier-than-thou smugness.
And the passage about not judging? That's referring to making judgments based on something that you yourself is guilty of, and it is also referring to judging other believers.. You can't judge another believer when you are guilty of the same thing you are judging them for. It is NOT referring to believers judging unbelievers for their lack of belief as shown in their words and actions.
If you're going to quote scripture, at least get the context right, and stop cherry-picking to support your view.
Oh, and God will judge you for your unbelief. Be very sure of that. So I suggest you get familiar with His wrath now and turn to belief before you die, because you will certainly feel His wrath then.
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Originally posted by thormas View PostI disagree on the meaning of what you refer to in the Bible. And I did always like when Jesus said (and I paraphrase) "it is not the one who says Lord, Lord........it is the one who does the will of the Father.' We know the will of the God who is love and it is to love. Therefore if one loves, they have done and are doing the will of God.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
And what is the Son if he is not the Love of God incarnate? So one can believe in and live love and still not believe that God is. For more and more the theistic notion of God is problematic.
The Son also tells us to not judge (which would seem to include all the non-Christians or those you assume do not believe Love). So much for listening, so much for wisdom.
If you know anything about God, you know He is righteous and just along with being loving. He also hates sin. And His judgment will fall on unbelievers. That is why Jesus came, to reconcile sinners to God. In His human body He showed love for others, but He also showed judgment. Don't forget about those passages in your holier-than-thou smugness.
And the passage about not judging? That's referring to making judgments based on something that you yourself is guilty of, and it is also referring to judging other believers.. You can't judge another believer when you are guilty of the same thing you are judging them for. It is NOT referring to believers judging unbelievers for their lack of belief as shown in their words and actions.
If you're going to quote scripture, at least get the context right, and stop cherry-picking to support your view.
Oh, and God will judge you for your unbelief. Be very sure of that. So I suggest you get familiar with His wrath now and turn to belief before you die, because you will certainly feel His wrath then.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
And what is the Son if he is not the Love of God incarnate? So one can believe in and live love and still not believe that God is. For more and more the theistic notion of God is problematic.
The Son also tells us to not judge (which would seem to include all the non-Christians or those you assume do not believe Love). So much for listening, so much for wisdom.
If you have a problem with the Son saying the will of the Father is to believe the Son, then your problem is not with me.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
The two great commandments my friend and the two are simply one: Love. This is the only command or better the only call and invitation of Jesus.
Good lord if only the world were truly full of good people for what makes one good but love? The man who rushes into one of the Towers on 911 is good; the woman doctor who risks and then gives her life while treating those with Covid is good, the ordinary human being who will not accept prejudice or racism of any kind, is good. What is good if it is not love? Show anybody love and they will say "it is good.' We say that God created everything and it was an act of love: he said "it is good."
You seem to judge too harshly whereas if you judge in love, you would see that love is good and we can only hope that the day will come when the world is truly full of 'good people.'
I agree with Christ in every way, I just consider all that Christ says.
You can hope this world fills up with all these good people, but I don't see it. Rather I listen to Christ and love nothing in this world of men.
And I do acknowledge Christ before all men because if men do not, then the Son will not acknowledge those men to the Father.
And really, when a believer talks of love, it is the love inspired by the Holy Spirit living within them, and the Son has made it clear that those without the Spirit do not know the love of God.
It is the fruit of the Spirit that matters, and without Him, then men have no part of God.
All these things are true, all these things are told to us by the Son.
So as men bleat their appreciation of love and only measure men by it, or think others judge too harshly, I will merely remind you of all that the Son has said to us.
God made men to show compassion, to love. I also find that all men show these things in their lives at times, even the worst. After all, who doesn't know how to give good gifts to their children?
But that is not what gains entry to God.
I think you know that if you've read the gospels.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
The will of the Father is to believe the Son.
Truly, if the Son tells one something, it would be wise to listen.
The Son also tells us to not judge (which would seem to include all the non-Christians or those you assume do not believe Love). So much for listening, so much for wisdom.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
i think your counter is broken.
Christ made it plain what He commands. People either follow what Christ commands, or measure themselves against themselves.
They will usually come up with being a good person when comparing themselves with themselves. The world is apparently full of good people.
Well, American Evangelicals could be the exception. Atheists are always telling me how bad they are.
Good lord if only the world were truly full of good people for what makes one good but love? The man who rushes into one of the Towers on 911 is good; the woman doctor who risks and then gives her life while treating those with Covid is good, the ordinary human being who will not accept prejudice or racism of any kind, is good. What is good if it is not love? Show anybody love and they will say "it is good.' We say that God created everything and it was an act of love and then God said "it is good."
You seem to judge too harshly whereas if you judge in love, you would see that love is good and we can only hope that the day will come when the world is truly full of 'good people.'
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
I agree there is no scientific proof: science is the study of the objects, the many things that make up the universe - and God is no thing. God is the very possibility that there is any-thing at all.
There are some interesting and even somewhat compelling arguments however they are not proofs and there is no real 'evidence.' What one sees as evidence or proof of the theistic God, others do not and it cannot be said this is because they don't belief for that would mean that the evidence is only there when seen through the eyes of faith. So ours is actually belief - without proof.
I disagree on the meaning of what you refer to in the Bible. And I did always like when Jesus said (and I paraphrase) "it is not the one who says Lord, Lord........it is the one who does the will of the Father.' We know the will of the God who is love and it is to love. Therefore if one loves, they have done and are doing the will of God.
Truly, if the Son tells one something, it would be wise to listen.
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