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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Have you seen it?

    Do you have any children?
    Yes and Yes but the latter are all grown up now.
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      I'll also point out that "How do you know it's bad if you don't watch it?" is the the devil talking.
      So you condemn a film without actually watching it? Or a book without actually reading it?

      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      It's a bit like saying you can't condemn pornography until you've looked at it.
      Define pornography.

      It appears that you would define much Fine Art as such. All those nudes and plump little cherubs and cupids.

      Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 10-07-2020, 07:27 PM.
      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        Yes and Yes but the latter are all grown up now.
        Would you have let your child perform in that movie at that age?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          Have you seen the film?
          I have seen several clips of the film, showing flagrant sexualization of underage girls. That was enough for me to not want to watch the film in its entirety, as I have kids (mostly daughters) and if found out anyone filmed anything remotely like that of my kids, I'd be getting out the wood chipper. I understand, on the far left, such perversions are normal (just look at Cali's recent laws). But to us, in the real world, people who sexually exploit children, hold auditions of scantily clad children thrusting their pelvises at the floor or at the camera, let alone those who do that and then publish such videos, belong in prison at best.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

            Would you have let your child perform in that movie at that age?
            Well they are all boys. Have you seen the film? Or have you, like Gond, simply viewed what I suspect are highly selective scenes from it and condemned it in advance?

            However, if we had had a daughter I would see no reason to prevent her being in such a film.

            I understand that Fathia Youssouf who plays the main character of Amy is 14 years old as is Ilanah Cami-Goursolas who plays Jess. From what I have read it appears that Médina El Aidi-Azouni [Angelica] is the youngest, at 12.

            "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

              I have seen several clips of the film, showing flagrant sexualization of underage girls. That was enough for me to not want to watch the film in its entirety, as I have kids (mostly daughters) and if found out anyone filmed anything remotely like that of my kids, I'd be getting out the wood chipper. I understand, on the far left, such perversions are normal (just look at Cali's recent laws). But to us, in the real world, people who sexually exploit children, hold auditions of scantily clad children thrusting their pelvises at the floor or at the camera, let alone those who do that and then publish such videos, belong in prison at best.
              So you have not seen it you are simply judging it after viewing selected scenes. Thank you.
              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                So you condemn a film without actually watching it? Or a book without actually reading it?


                Define pornography.

                It appears that you would define much Fine Art as such. All those nudes and plump little cherubs and cupids.
                One can condemn being a falling down drunk without first having been a falling down drunk.

                One can condemn murderous assault without first having committed murderous assault.

                One can condemn larceny and theft without first having been a thief.

                And one can condemn child exploitation without first watching children being exploited.



                Not too long ago news agencies would regularly feature segments where they would sternly condemn various forms of exploitations all the while showing clip after clip of what they were condemning. Nobody was fooled by the self-righteous condemnations knowing full well that they themselves were also engaged in the exact same behavior that they were castigating. They would run these titillating videos not to draw attention to a problem (that can be done without engaging in it yourself) but to increase rating and hence revenue.

                That is exactly what the makers of Cuties and Netflix is doing here.

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  Well they are all boys. Have you seen the film? Or have you, like Gond, simply viewed what I suspect are highly selective scenes from it and condemned it in advance?
                  I haven't seen it and I haven't condemned it. But Netflix is pretty stupid for airing it in the US. American sensibilities are to protect children from exploitation, maintaining their innocence as long as possible so they can have a happy, well adjusted childhood. This film is from Europe.

                  However, if we had had a daughter I would see no reason to prevent her being in such a film.

                  I understand that Fathia Youssouf who plays the main character of Amy is 14 years old as is Ilanah Cami-Goursolas who plays Jess. From what I have read it appears that Médina El Aidi-Azouni [Angelica] is the youngest, at 12.
                  I see.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Yes, by actually sexualizing young girls. I suppose you could call it a case of art imitating life imitating art.
                    A further observation on your comment. Perhaps you think Dan Radcliffe really does magic as well.
                    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      A further observation on your comment. Perhaps you think Dan Radcliffe really does magic as well.
                      Are you suggesting that the sexualization of young girls was achieved using special effects?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Are you suggesting that the sexualization of young girls was achieved using special effects?
                        Why do you imagine actresses are being sexualised?
                        "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                        • #42
                          [QUOTE=Ronson;n1193883]

                          I haven't seen it and I haven't condemned it. But Netflix is pretty stupid for airing it in the US. [/quote[Given the reaction among some here who seem unable to glimpse a clothed buttock or a crotch without immediately thinking about sex, you are probably right. Yet the "twerking" the girls perform has its origins in the USA , or so I understand.

                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                          American sensibilities are to protect children from exploitation, maintaining their innocence as long as possible so they can have a happy, well adjusted childhood.
                          What do you mean by innocence?

                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                          This film is from Europe.
                          And explores the coming of age issues for young girls who hail from conservative and rather repressive backgrounds.

                          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            Why do you imagine actresses are being sexualised?
                            I suspect we're in for another round of the devil whispering, "How do you know it's bad if you haven't tried it?"
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              Given the reaction among some here who seem unable to glimpse a clothed buttock or a crotch without immediately thinking about sex, you are probably right. Yet the "twerking" the girls perform has its origins in the USA , or so I understand.
                              I have no idea where twerking originated (hardly the point), but it certainly didn't originate with underage children.

                              What do you mean by innocence?
                              You don't consider children "innocent" before they become aware of mature subjects? They don't need to ponder such things prematurely.

                              And explores the coming of age issues for young girls who hail from conservative and rather repressive backgrounds.
                              I thought the filmmakers said the film was about exploitation?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                So you have not seen it you are simply judging it after viewing selected scenes. Thank you.
                                Back to your old snipping out pieces of posts.

                                Correct, I do not have to see an entire movie to be able to judge it by several scenes that show gross sexual exploitation by minors.

                                If you saw clips of a film showing a real rape of a woman, would you need to see the entire film to condemn it?

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