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Court Packing, Democrats increasingly Authoritarian Turn
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe already know they're planning to play dirty with the election. They intend to create so much chaos and uncertainty that even blatant fraud will be hard to stop.
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"Authoritarian" doesn't seem at all the correct term for what the Dems are wanting to do with regard to SCOTUS. They are not trying to put any restrictions on the freedom of the populace, which is what authoritarianism is about.
Instead they are trying to prevent change. The Republicans have been involved in a multi-decade project trying to put a sufficient number of 'originalists' into SCOTUS, such that the originalist majority can then change a whole bunch of things away from the status quo with creative rulings that would overthrow decades or centuries of law. The Dems are trying to block that from happening.
i.e. this is a case of Dems being conservative in the literal sense of conserving the status quo."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post"Authoritarian" doesn't seem at all the correct term for what the Dems are wanting to do with regard to SCOTUS. They are not trying to put any restrictions on the freedom of the populace, which is what authoritarianism is about.
Instead they are trying to prevent change. The Republicans have been involved in a multi-decade project trying to put a sufficient number of 'originalists' into SCOTUS, such that the originalist majority can then change a whole bunch of things away from the status quo with creative rulings that would overthrow decades or centuries of law. The Dems are trying to block that from happening.
i.e. this is a case of Dems being conservative in the literal sense of conserving the status quo.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post"Orginalists" = Constitionalists.
The opposite are the judges who pay attention to what previous court rulings have been and are careful to follow tradition and not up-end the apple cart.
That's a bad thing for leftist Marxists.
What an absurd statement. Marxism has nothing to do with it."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIMO, "originalists" = "write their own very original and creative interpretations"
The opposite are the judges who pay attention to what previous court rulings have been and are careful to follow tradition and not up-end the apple cart.
What an absurd statement. Marxism has nothing to do with it.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
It's not absurd in the least. The left has become a cult of authoritarian marxism and intersectionalism. At first, when it was just spreading throughout liberal universities, their tactic was to forcefully silence their opposition by getting them expelled, fired, doxxed, canceled, smeared... now they're expressing their views rather violently and physically in the streets. Naturally, the very word "constitutionalist' is an extremely ugly word to them, which is why they get offended by it. In fact, I would imagine I could find articles where they actually call that word racist.
"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You don't have to read them. Your claim was that adding seats wasn't court packing. I gave you a dozen contemporary articles, all calling it court packing.
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe already know they're planning to play dirty with the election.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey intend to create so much chaos and uncertainty that even blatant fraud will be hard to stop.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Which is why they keep pushing for mail-in voting, in spite of it being unnecessary, with the narrative that Trump will refuse to leave (even though their side is saying the same thing about Biden), because they know there's going to be so much fraud and chaos, Trump will have no choice but to launch investigations and lawsuits. I mean it couldn't be anymore clearer what they're trying to do.
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Electric Septic View PostNo, you already imagine they're planning to play dirty with the election.
THat is precisely what Trump has been doing for months. How can you turn around and try to pin exactly what Trump has been doing on Democrats?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostNo, my statement was the idea of adding some seats to the court "does not remotely qualify as 'court packing', with all the implications of that practice." Try again.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostAdding justices to the SCOTUS does not remotely qualify as 'court packing', with all the implications of that practice.
If increasing the size of the Supreme Court in order to put in liberal-minded justices isn't court packing, exactly what do you define court packing as?
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