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  • #16
    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    And since they're willing to play this dirty with SCOTUS, all bets are off the table with their election actions and outcome.
    We already know they're planning to play dirty with the election. They intend to create so much chaos and uncertainty that even blatant fraud will be hard to stop.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      We already know they're planning to play dirty with the election. They intend to create so much chaos and uncertainty that even blatant fraud will be hard to stop.
      Which is why they keep pushing for mail-in voting, in spite of it being unnecessary, with the narrative that Trump will refuse to leave (even though their side is saying the same thing about Biden), because they know there's going to be so much fraud and chaos, Trump will have no choice but to launch investigations and lawsuits. I mean it couldn't be anymore clearer what they're trying to do.
      "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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      • #18
        "Authoritarian" doesn't seem at all the correct term for what the Dems are wanting to do with regard to SCOTUS. They are not trying to put any restrictions on the freedom of the populace, which is what authoritarianism is about.

        Instead they are trying to prevent change. The Republicans have been involved in a multi-decade project trying to put a sufficient number of 'originalists' into SCOTUS, such that the originalist majority can then change a whole bunch of things away from the status quo with creative rulings that would overthrow decades or centuries of law. The Dems are trying to block that from happening.

        i.e. this is a case of Dems being conservative in the literal sense of conserving the status quo.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          "Authoritarian" doesn't seem at all the correct term for what the Dems are wanting to do with regard to SCOTUS. They are not trying to put any restrictions on the freedom of the populace, which is what authoritarianism is about.

          Instead they are trying to prevent change. The Republicans have been involved in a multi-decade project trying to put a sufficient number of 'originalists' into SCOTUS, such that the originalist majority can then change a whole bunch of things away from the status quo with creative rulings that would overthrow decades or centuries of law. The Dems are trying to block that from happening.

          i.e. this is a case of Dems being conservative in the literal sense of conserving the status quo.
          "Orginalists" = Constitionalists. That's a bad thing for leftist Marxists. So, of course, the left would be deeply troubled by that, so troubled in fact they're willing to play dirty in order to get their partisan hacks into the courts.
          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by seanD View Post
            "Orginalists" = Constitionalists.
            IMO, "originalists" = "write their own very original and creative interpretations"

            The opposite are the judges who pay attention to what previous court rulings have been and are careful to follow tradition and not up-end the apple cart.

            That's a bad thing for leftist Marxists.

            What an absurd statement. Marxism has nothing to do with it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              IMO, "originalists" = "write their own very original and creative interpretations"

              The opposite are the judges who pay attention to what previous court rulings have been and are careful to follow tradition and not up-end the apple cart.


              What an absurd statement. Marxism has nothing to do with it.
              It's not absurd in the least. The left has become a cult of authoritarian marxism and intersectionalism. At first, when it was just spreading throughout liberal universities, their tactic was to forcefully silence their opposition by getting them expelled, fired, doxxed, canceled, smeared... now they're expressing their views rather violently and physically in the streets. Naturally, the very word "constitutionalist' is an extremely ugly word to them, which is why they get offended by it. In fact, I would imagine I could find articles where they actually call that word racist.
              "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                It's not absurd in the least. The left has become a cult of authoritarian marxism and intersectionalism. At first, when it was just spreading throughout liberal universities, their tactic was to forcefully silence their opposition by getting them expelled, fired, doxxed, canceled, smeared... now they're expressing their views rather violently and physically in the streets. Naturally, the very word "constitutionalist' is an extremely ugly word to them, which is why they get offended by it. In fact, I would imagine I could find articles where they actually call that word racist.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                  Yup, that's about what I'd expect from someone with no rebuttal. Da emoticons defense.
                  "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                    You don't have to read them. Your claim was that adding seats wasn't court packing. I gave you a dozen contemporary articles, all calling it court packing.
                    No, my statement was the idea of adding some seats to the court "does not remotely qualify as 'court packing', with all the implications of that practice." Try again.
                    America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      We already know they're planning to play dirty with the election.
                      No, you already imagine they're planning to play dirty with the election.

                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      They intend to create so much chaos and uncertainty that even blatant fraud will be hard to stop.
                      THat is precisely what Trump has been doing for months. How can you turn around and try to pin exactly what Trump has been doing on Democrats?
                      America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post

                        Which is why they keep pushing for mail-in voting, in spite of it being unnecessary, with the narrative that Trump will refuse to leave (even though their side is saying the same thing about Biden), because they know there's going to be so much fraud and chaos, Trump will have no choice but to launch investigations and lawsuits. I mean it couldn't be anymore clearer what they're trying to do.
                        This is just so much nonsense it's laughable. Trump has for months been doing everything he could to throw doubt on the election result before it's even voted on. It's Trump who's been claiming (without the slightest support) that it will be a disaster, Trump who has been setting up to dispute the result, Trump who has refused to say he'll honor the result. And you Trump sycophants try to somehow blame Democrats. If it wasn't so pathetic I'd laugh.
                        America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Electric Septic View Post
                          No, you already imagine they're planning to play dirty with the election.


                          THat is precisely what Trump has been doing for months. How can you turn around and try to pin exactly what Trump has been doing on Democrats?
                          Don't you have any rebuttals better than "Nuh-uh!"?
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
                            No, my statement was the idea of adding some seats to the court "does not remotely qualify as 'court packing', with all the implications of that practice." Try again.
                            Except, of course, that they have no rationale for adding SCOTUS judges, except that they are afraid that the current set won't rule in their favor.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
                              Adding justices to the SCOTUS does not remotely qualify as 'court packing', with all the implications of that practice.
                              Adding justices doesn't inherently qualify as court packing; it had been increased several times in the past, though initially the size was increased to keep parity with the number of circuit courts, but if you're adding justices to try to get justices more aligned with your ideology, as the Democrats would be? Yes, that's court packing. Absolutely. To try to say that them adding in justices to try to do this is anything but court packing is just downright silly.

                              If increasing the size of the Supreme Court in order to put in liberal-minded justices isn't court packing, exactly what do you define court packing as?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                Don't you have any rebuttals better than "Nuh-uh!"?
                                His thing is to just gaslight every issue he disagrees with.
                                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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