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Originally posted by seanD View Post
They just keep coming out of the work-works don't they. It'll be interesting to see if they're still around after the election.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
It's the stupidest "excuse" I meant to say. By refusing to allow a quick and simple inspection that has zero consequences on the outcome of the debate (which they apparently initially agreed to do), translates to you clearly have something to hide.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBiden's camp has to be hoping it goes better than this: Oh Geez, Biden On Teleprompter During Interview – Says “I lost that line” ... and apparently the reporter read him the line he was supposed to say
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How I see it from the 20-minutes I watched (all I could stand): Typical substance for a presidential debate; more heat than light, as the saying goes. Trump is focusing on his record; Biden is focusing on... honestly, I'm not sure what.
Trump is very strong and in command; he's setting the tone and controlling the pace. Biden keeps trying to get shots in, but Trump just rolls right over him, in most cases not even acknowledging that Biden has spoken. There were a few moments when Biden was trying to answer a question, and Trump shut him down, redirecting Biden to a completely different topic mid-answer. Biden has been on the ropes several times, head down, eyes closed, seemingly unable to match Trump's unrelenting energy, but Wallace always seems to be there to bail him out with a lengthy question that gives Biden time to regroup. Biden just doesn't seem to have any pep, and his voice is very quiet compared to Trump's, so it is ridiculously easy for Trump to take control of the debate almost at will.
How liberals probably see it: Trump is loud, boorish, and rude, and Biden is calm and in control.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHow I see it from the 20-minutes I watched (all I could stand): Typical substance for a presidential debate; more heat than light, as the saying goes. Trump is focusing on his record; Biden is focusing on... honestly, I'm not sure what.
Trump is very strong and in command; he's setting the tone and controlling the pace. Biden keeps trying to get shots in, but Trump just rolls right over him, in most cases not even acknowledging that Biden has spoken. There were a few moments when Biden was trying to answer a question, and Trump shut him down, redirecting Biden to a completely different topic mid-answer. Biden has been on the ropes several times, head down, eyes closed, seemingly unable to match Trump's unrelenting energy, but Wallace always seems to be there to bail him out with a lengthy question that gives Biden time to regroup. Biden just doesn't seem to have any pep, and his voice is very quiet compared to Trump's, so it is ridiculously easy for Trump to take control of the debate almost at will.
How liberals probably see it: Trump is loud, boorish, and rude, and Biden is calm and in control.
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Interesting. This is the first time I've heard Trump suggest that he might not "accept" the election outcome if there is evidence of fraud, and he is insisting there already is evidence. That's the biggest thing to come out of this for me.
Otherwise, blech. A lot of he said-she said nonsense that will come back to bite both of them (like Biden claiming it was a "lie" that he ever called servicemen "stupid bastards." There is a video of it and I've seen it). I'm sure that goes both ways, though.
Nothing else really noteworthy. Biden did better than I thought he would, Trump about what I expected. No winner from an undecided standpoint.
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View PostI'm sure this played well with Trump's base but I don't see how it convinces any undecids to vote for him. And arguing with the moderator is not a good look.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostNothing else really noteworthy. Biden did better than I thought he would, Trump about what I expected. No winner from an undecided standpoint.
So in the end, Trump looked strong, Biden looked cowed. That's what I took away from the bit I watched.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhen the moderator is acting more like a debate participant than a moderator then I really don't know what else Trump is supposed to do. The moderator should ask the questions and then let the candidates challenge each other, he shouldn't be trying to challenge the candidates himself -- although he's only really challenging Trump; there were several times when Trump and Wallace were arguing, and Biden was just standing there looking lost.
Trump flagrantly violated the rules repeatedly by interrupting Biden during the two minute answer time and Wallace even pointed it out I think twice though maybe more. I couldn't tell in the last instance but I think Trump denied agreeing to the rules based on Wallace's response (something along the lines of "youf campaign agreed to the rules").
And Biden clearly doesn't have dementia.
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Oh, one more thing - Biden has a clever device that he uses often: He'll say "Here's the deal..." and it usually shut Trump up.
The term typically is used before someone offers a summation - and most people will pause to hear a summation because it is short. Like "Here's the deal, I don't want to go to the beach because it's too cold." But Biden will say that and then launch into a long-winded diatribe. Good debating technique but he overplayed it. It got annoying.
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