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  • #76
    Originally posted by Reepicheep View Post

    You are mistaken. In 2016, Gloria La Riva ran for the Party of Socialism and Liberation. Alyson Kennedy ran for the Socialist Workers Party. Monica Moorhead ran for the Workers World Party. All three of these parties claim to be communist.
    And yet nobody ran under the Communist Party's banner, just like I said

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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    • #77
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      And yet nobody ran under the Communist Party's banner, just like I said
      All three of those parties are communist.
      "My favorite color in the alphabet is three." - Donald J. Trump
      "The 'J' in my middle name stands for 'Jenius'" - Donald J. Trump

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        I am contesting your contention that this neofascist group that you admire is both pacific and tolerant.
        I'm not saying that they always are, but you brought up the Brown Shirt thing - so who is actually acting like Brown Shirts in the streets today? I don't see the Proud Boys attacking government buildings, the police, looting and burning businesses down - do you? So why can you give a straight answer?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          The Democrats have swung far enough to the left in recent years that the Communist Party quit bothering to nominate their own candidate and simply started endorsing the Democrat -- and that included Hillary
          Political alliances between different groups often produce excellent governments. That is another difference between Europe and the USA.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #80
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            I'm not saying that they always are
            You are "not saying they are always" what?

            Originally posted by seer View Post
            , but you brought up the Brown Shirt thing
            No I stated that this organisation you so admire is neofascist and posted an image of a street fight between SA and KPD
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              You are "not saying they are always" what?
              I'm saying I don't follow them that closely. What we do know is they are not attacking government buildings, the police, looting and burning businesses down.

              No I stated that this organisation you so admire is neofascist and posted an image of a street fight between SA and KPD
              Sorry you are lying again, they are not neo-fascist. So I will ask again: who is actually acting like Brown Shirts in the streets today?
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #82
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                I'm saying I don't follow them that closely.
                Then how do you come to make the statement that they are not neo-fascist? You have just acknowledged you do not know much about them.
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Or why should Trump concede?

                  Biden Campaign Operative, Texas State Senator Accused of Mail-in Ballot Fraud


                  Witnesses allege Texas Sen. Boris Miles and Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis were orchestrating a ballot harvesting scheme with help from Biden campaign official Dallas Jones.

                  New affidavits filed with the Supreme Court of Texas (SCOTX) Monday allege a coordinated ballot harvesting operation in Harris County.

                  The two testimonials specifically name state Senator Boris Miles (D-Houston) and Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis (D-Pct. 1) as leaders of an election fraud scheme that involves stealing absentee ballots from nursing homes and forging voter signatures.

                  Another individual named is Dallas Jones, a political operative overseeing Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s Harris County operation.

                  https://thetexan.news/biden-campaign...-ballot-fraud/

                  An interesting addendum to the OP.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ause-civil-war


                  A militia-promoting father and son duo of fake news publishers and a Trump-connected social media consultant are linked to pages which promote the idea of an American civil war with material presented in a way that appears to be an effort to sidestep Facebook’s fact-checking system. Comments on their Facebook pages and other materials obtained by the Guardian show that some rank and file Donald Trump supporters are enthusiastically receiving the message that they should prepare for violence against their perceived political enemies in November.

                  The network is comprised of websites owned and operated by Dino Porrazzo Sr and Dino Porrazzo Jr, whose company, AFF Media, is headquartered in Pinon Hills in California. The pair have been running rightwing websites since at latest 2013, according to DNS website records. The Porrazzos now run a network of websites that enthusiastically promote Trump, and far right anti-government militias like the Three Percenters, and offer distorted versions of current events. One of their Facebook pages, “Prepare to Take America Back” (PTTAB) at the time of reporting had 794,876 followers. Analysis with social media metrics tool Crowdtangle shows that over the last three months PTTAB posts have been shared over 141,000 times, and on average 9,600 times a week.

                  At that time, the page’s header featured the logo of the Three Percenters, a decentralized group that the ADL calls a “wing of the militia movement”; a group of armed men in tactical gear; and a modified copy of the US presidential seal.

                  In general, the page promotes conspiracy theories and criminal allegations about Democratic party politicians, liberal celebrities and leftist protesters, some of which – like persistent claims that Hillary Clinton will be imminently arrested – overlap with aspects of the so-called “QAnon” conspiracy theory movement.

                  The page makes free use of political memes, but many posts link to a small cluster of rightwing websites designed to appear like news outlets. Increasingly, over the course of 2020, the page has been warning of a stolen election, and suggesting this will lead to civil war. Repeatedly in September, the page linked to a story on the website Right Wing Tribune, headlined “Radical Left Prepares For ‘Mass Public Unrest,’ ‘Political Apocalypse’ And Possible Civil War Should Be Expected If Biden Loses [Opinion]”, with Facebook captions including “the left wants war”.

                  The story had a limited basis in fact, in that a number of progressive groups had met in early September to discuss the prospect of civil unrest and political violence after the election with a belief that the violence they were anticipating would be coming from Trump supporters and the far right.

                  Nevertheless, the Right Wing Tribune piece concluded with a conspiracy theory: “These groups are heavily focused on removing President Trump from office as well as different scenarios which all lead to a second revolution in which they control our nation as a “New America”.”

                  Similarly distorted stories warning of a “siege of the white house”, peppered the page throughout September and warnings of a post-election civil war were posted over the last year.

                  Last November, the page linked to a site called Flag and Cross, and a story which it described as an “excellent opinion piece”, entitled “Winning the New Civil War (OPINION)”. The piece claimed on the basis of antifascist protests and comments by Democratic politicians that, “We have many strong indications that this is a hot war”.

                  [...]The Porrazzos have been previously reported as having links to the Three Percenters, a decentralized, national militia movement that the Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes as anti-government extremists. Their online empire is large. Another Parazzo site, Flag and Cross is listed as the administrator of another Facebook page, United States Constitution, which has 1.2 million followers.


                  [...] Meanwhile, the content of the Porrazzo pages does appear to trigger extreme responses among users. Hundreds of user comments on the page’s posts suggest the use of violence against perceived political enemies. On a 5 September post linking to a Right Wing Tribune article suggesting that Democrats will foment civil war if Biden loses, one user commented, “a short civil war with the democrats and those who support socialist policies will go a long way to help Make America Great Again”. Another connects civil war to their belief that a Trump loss is impossible, writing “If [Biden] wins, it’ll be from fraud on an industrial scale, and the lesson that’ll have to be taught for that will necessarily be no less industrial.”

                  Many welcome the prospect of armed conflict – one writes “That’s fine with me open season on democrats!”. Another deployed accused murderer Kyle Rittenhouse as a positive example, writing “I think it will be more whining, crying, rioting, looting and a lot of Kyles protecting their cities, towns and neighborhoods.”

                  [...] On Tuesday night, meanwhile, following the Guardian’s outreach to the Porrazzos and Facebook that day, Dino Porrazzo announced on Twitter that he “HAD TO DELETE A FEW ARTICLES I WROTE TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE DEMED FALSE BY BASEMENT DWELLING LIBERAL FACT CHECKERS”.



                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    Then how do you come to make the statement that they are not neo-fascist? You have just acknowledged you do not know much about them.
                    I'm going by what they actually say on their web site. But I get your point, given the history of your people it is no wonder you see a fascist under every bed.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by seer View Post

                      I'm going by what they actually say on their web site.
                      Which tells the viewer very little. There is a lot of audio content however.

                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      But I get your point, given the history of your people it is no wonder you see a fascist under every bed.
                      They neo-fascists and neither you nor their website has adequately addressed how they deal [or prose to deal] with those who disagree with them or dissent.

                      Judging from McInnes' comments violence is the best and only solution. That indicates exactly how this group would behave were it ever to gain any political power or be under the direct control of a political leader.



                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        Which tells the viewer very little. There is a lot of audio content however.
                        From whom? One or two guys?

                        They neo-fascists and neither you nor their website has adequately addressed how they deal [or prose to deal] with those who disagree with them or dissent.

                        Judging from McInnes' comments violence is the best and only solution. That indicates exactly how this group would behave were it ever to gain any political power or be under the direct control of a political leader.

                        I understand you have a lot of national guilt - so you are projecting...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by seer View Post

                          From whom? One or two guys?
                          From the organisation's founder and various other individuals


                          Originally posted by seer View Post

                          I understand you have a lot of national guilt - so you are projecting...
                          I am beginning to realise you are in denial.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            Political alliances between different groups often produce excellent governments. That is another difference between Europe and the USA.
                            And just as often they collapse in a few short months.

                            Anywho... This isn't an alliance but rather the CPUSA coming to the realization that there isn't that much of a difference between their goals and that of the Democrats, and being smart enough not to waste their own capital running a campaign when the Democrats are already running an acceptable candidate.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              And just as often they collapse in a few short months.
                              Are you thinking of Israel?

                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I am beginning to realise you are in denial.
                                Remember it was your people who did this and it was my people who stopped your people...



                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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