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  • #31
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Oh stop being so sanctimonious. The Republicans [given their history] are hardly innocent of similar practices.
    Tu Quoque will not erase what the Democrats have done. All you are doing is trying to change the topic.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

      Tu Quoque will not erase what the Democrats have done.
      Nor can anyone erase what Nixon did or the events in Florida in 2000 when of thousands of black voters were taken off the electoral register. Or the allegations that Republicans are attempting to do the same this year. Or that gerrymandering is rampant. Your point?

      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
      All you are doing is trying to change the topic.
      We have both agreed that politics is dirty.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        Nor can anyone erase what Nixon did or the events in Florida in 2000 when of thousands of black voters were taken off the electoral register. Or the allegations that Republicans are attempting to do the same this year. Or that gerrymandering is rampant. Your point?

        We have both agreed that politics is dirty.
        You keep trying to change the topic from what democrats do to force out tax return information.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

          You keep trying to change the topic from what democrats do to force out tax return information.
          I keep pointing out that the Republicans have no justification for criticising actions by the Democrats. Both sides have engaged in dirty tricks.

          I would also consider that the attempt to suppress voting rights based on political affiliation and/race to be far more reprehensible.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            I keep pointing out that the Republicans have no justification for criticising actions by the Democrats. Both sides have engaged in dirty tricks.

            I would also consider that the attempt to suppress voting rights based on political affiliation and/race to be far more reprehensible.
            And another subject change. :) Keep trying to distract.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              And another subject change. :) Keep trying to distract.
              I am merely pointing out that neither side is squeaky clean. You appear reluctant to acknowledge that fact. And, as I wrote earlier, preventing citizens from voting by removing their names from the electoral register strikes me as far more reprehensible.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                I am merely pointing out that neither side is squeaky clean. You appear reluctant to acknowledge that fact. And, as I wrote earlier, preventing citizens from voting by removing their names from the electoral register strikes me as far more reprehensible.
                Yet another attempt to change the subject.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  Yet another attempt to change the subject.
                  No just pointing out the reality.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage



                    LONG-CONCEALED RECORDS SHOW TRUMP’S CHRONIC LOSSES AND YEARS OF TAX AVOIDANCE

                    The Times obtained Donald Trump’s tax information extending over more than two decades, revealing struggling properties, vast write-offs, an audit battle and hundreds of millions in debt coming due.

                    By Russ Buettner, Susanne Craig and Mike McIntire

                    Sept. 27, 2020

                    • 1701

                    Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

                    He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.

                    As the president wages a re-election campaign that polls say he is in danger of losing, his finances are under stress, beset by losses and hundreds of millions of dollars in debt coming due that he has personally guaranteed. Also hanging over him is a decade-long audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund that he claimed, and received, after declaring huge losses. An adverse ruling could cost him more than $100 million.
                    The tax returns that Mr. Trump has long fought to keep private tell a story fundamentally different from the one he has sold to the American public. His reports to the I.R.S. portray a businessman who takes in hundreds of millions of dollars a year yet racks up chronic losses that he aggressively employs to avoid paying taxes. Now, with his financial challenges mounting, the records show that he depends more and more on making money from businesses that put him in potential and often direct conflict of interest with his job as president.

                    The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019. This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks.

                    The returns are some of the most sought-after, and speculated-about, records in recent memory. In Mr. Trump’s nearly four years in office — and across his endlessly hyped decades in the public eye — journalists, prosecutors, opposition politicians and conspiracists have, with limited success, sought to excavate the enigmas of his finances. By their very nature, the filings will leave many questions unanswered, many questioners unfulfilled. They comprise information that Mr. Trump has disclosed to the I.R.S., not the findings of an independent financial examination. They report that Mr. Trump owns hundreds of millions of dollars in valuable assets, but they do not reveal his true wealth. Nor do they reveal any previously unreported connections to Russia.

                    THE PRESIDENT’S TAXES

                    Charting An Empire: A Timeline Of Trump’s Finances18 Revelations From a Trove of Trump Tax RecordsAn Editor’s Note on the Trump Tax Investigation

                    In response to a letter summarizing The Times’s findings, Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, said that “most, if not all, of the facts appear to be inaccurate” and requested the documents on which they were based. After The Times declined to provide the records, in order to protect its sources, Mr. Garten took direct issue only with the amount of taxes Mr. Trump had paid.

                    “Over the past decade, President Trump has paid tens of millions of dollars in personal taxes to the federal government, including paying millions in personal taxes since announcing his candidacy in 2015,” Mr. Garten said in a statement.

                    With the term “personal taxes,” however, Mr. Garten appears to be conflating income taxes with other federal taxes Mr. Trump has paid — Social Security, Medicare and taxes for his household employees. Mr. Garten also asserted that some of what the president owed was “paid with tax credits,” a misleading characterization of credits, which reduce a business owner’s income-tax bill as a reward for various activities, like historic preservation.

                    The tax data examined by The Times provides a road map of revelations, from write-offs for the cost of a criminal defense lawyer and a mansion used as a family retreat to a full accounting of the millions of dollars the president received from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.

                    © Copyright Original Source

                    Because he's a narcissist. He needs to maintain an inflated image of himself to feel valued.
                    "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                      Because he's Rich, and its known that the democrats would go over it with a fine-tooth comb to find anything they could manufacture outrage on. I mean, Harry Reid straight up lied in order to manufacture outrage against Romney. The more important question is given the Democrats propensity to do so, why would ANY republican candidate release their tax returns?
                      The answer is yes, every candidate for a long time now.
                      "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by myth View Post

                        The answer is yes, every candidate for a long time now.
                        Re-read my post, re-read your reply. Adjust so that your response actually makes sense with what's written.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          Re-read my post, re-read your reply. Adjust so that your response actually makes sense with what's written.
                          Your question was: "why would ANY republican candidate release their tax returns?"

                          And my answer was: "The answer is yes, every candidate for a long time now."

                          I'm sorry, I didn't notice they "why". Republican and Democratic Presidential candidates have released their tax turns for a long time now. It's disingenuous of you to ignore that fact. And you're welcome, I'm happy to spell that out for you. Perhaps you could now adjust your reply accordingly, since the intent of my answer is now obvious.
                          "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                          • #43
                            One thing he was hiding was that this $20 million gift to charity never happened.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ft-even-exist/

                            Article dates from 2016 and has embedded video of the announcement with Trump present.



                            Last October, at a rally in Las Vegas, a friend of Donald Trump's introduced the mogul-turned-candidate with a story about Trump's generosity.

                            "You won’t hear this in the media, but Donald gave $20 million to the St. Jude children’s home. Twenty million dollars," said Phil Ruffin, the owner of the Treasure Island casino, which was the site of the rally.

                            The crowd cheered. Trump mouthed "Thank you" twice and waved.

                            "He could have used that $20 million for television ads, but he decided to give with children with cancer," Ruffin said. "That’s Donald Trump."



                            And I agree. His gift to St. Jude's does embody Donald Trump -- stolen valor.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                              Because he's Rich, and its known that the democrats would go over it with a fine-tooth comb to find anything they could manufacture outrage on. I mean, Harry Reid straight up lied in order to manufacture outrage against Romney. The more important question is given the Democrats propensity to do so, why would ANY republican candidate release their tax returns?
                              If they've been honest, why wouldn't they? And, of course, Trump is the first candidate not to do so.
                              America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
                                If they've been honest, why wouldn't they? And, of course, Trump is the first candidate not to do so.
                                Actually it's been a trend. Democrats made hay over Romney's taxes, trump just went a step further after seeing the lies told about Romney. Honesty doesn't count when it comes to manufactured outrage.

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