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Why did Trump conceal his tax records?
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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Tax avoidance can lead to Tax evasion.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Tax avoidance can lead to Tax evasion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd everybody who has ever filled out an income tax return has engaged in some manner of tax avoidance through one legal deduction or another. So are you suggesting that every single tax filer in the US should therefore be suspected of tax evasion?
The issue here is Trump's billions of dollars, which may no longer exist, and likely there all on paper now an in his off shore accounts.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Tax avoidance in the millions can lead to Tax evasion.
But despite all the whooping and hollering from liberals, the headline should read: "Trump uses legal deductions to reduce his tax burden just like everybody else who files taxes".
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWhy would Trump try to conceal his taxes?- Because paying less tax than a minimum wage worker doesn't look good
- Because making constant huge business losses doesn't look good
- Because tax evasion and fraud doesn't look good
- Because huge outstanding loans doesn't look good
I suspect that if Trump enacted his infamous comment about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, we would find contributors offering extenuating circumstances for his actions."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
A very succinct reply. However, do not expect the indoctrinated to agree with you.
I suspect that if Trump enacted his infamous comment about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, we would find contributors offering extenuating circumstances for his actions.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
As I said. Democrats are going to use any republican tax return against them. They are going to look for any molehill they can make into a mountain of manufactured outrage. At this point, it's really a question of why would any republican presidential candidate release their tax returns. Harry Reid has shown that democrats are willing to blatantly lie about a republicans taxes. On top of that, the NYT and Rachel Maddow are willing to rely on people (likely) breaking the law to get tax returns. I say hold tax returns back, and let the left lie and lawbreak over something that is not a requirement for president."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Politics is a dirty game isn't it? I did read somewhere that it had become a sort of tradition for Presidents to release their tax details since Nixon's were leaked. However, I am prepared to be corrected on that point. Although I do wonder though why any nationally appointed official should be reluctant to make public their financial dealings to those who elect them. If there is nothing to hide wherein lies the issue? Transparency does [or at least should] go hand in hand with public appointment, Caesar's wife etc.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You are right, politics are dirty.
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostHence why I said the best bet is to simply refuse to release them, regardless of what's in them.
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostThen the democrats can lie (like Harry Reid) or resort to illegal means to get them. It's a risk management strategy. Released Tax Returns have the same negative information as illegally obtained ones. So, the risk of exposure for either one is the same. On the other hand, not releasing them means POTENTIALLY never seeing the mountains out of Molehills, it also means that you can focus on the immoral or illegal actions asked for/demanded by the other side to obtain them.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIndeed.
Yet all that succeeds in achieving is for the other side to allege there is something to hide.
Are you suggesting that if this was a Democrat president who had withheld his tax information that the Republicans would not be engaging in precisely the same dirty tricks? I recall the term that Nixon's supporters used for their exploits. Wasn't it something to do with rodents and procreation?
The democrats will lie/distort/manufacture outrage at the tax returns regardless. They kept manufacturing outrage towards Romney on his tax rate (13.9%) even though it was entirely legitimate. They lied about the tax returns he didn't release.
Again, as I said. It becomes a smarter move to simply not release them at all, and let the democrats resort to libel, slander, and other illegal means to attain them. On the plus side, if it doesn't get out, there's no extra outrage. If it does get out, you face just what you would've faced otherwise regardless of whether you actually did anything wrong or not.Last edited by CivilDiscourse; 09-29-2020, 10:30 AM.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Did I say anything about what republicans would do?
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostThe democrats will lie/distort/manufacture outrage at the tax returns regardless. They kept manufacturing outrage towards Romney on his tax rate (13.9%) even though it was entirely legitimate. They lied about the tax returns he didn't release.
Again, as I said. It becomes a smarter move to simply not release them at all, and let the democrats resort to libel, slander, and other illegal means to attain them. On the plus side, if it doesn't get out, there's no extra outrage. If it does get out, you face just what you would've faced otherwise regardless of whether you actually did anything wrong or not.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI posed the question and you have acknowledged that politics is a dirty business.
And I am quite sure that were the tables turned, and it was Democrat incumbent in Trump's situation, the Republicans would be doing precisely the same thing.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostIt is.
You are free to assert that all you want. It doesn't change what democrats have done."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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