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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View PostWhich countries take care of their poor without taxes and how well do they do compared to western countries?
Some people might reasonably draw conclusions.
Within the OECD, higher taxes correlate with higher average happiness. The happiest countries in the world tend to also have the highest taxes in the world. Again some people might reasonably draw conclusions.
I sure do.Last edited by Starlight; 09-30-2020, 04:02 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo as far as Trump's taxes are concerned, there is nothing illegal or immoral.
Literally, the US government, at this point in time, is chasing Trump for $73 million in tax illegalities. So your statement that there's nothing illegal or immoral seems flatly false."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostSetting aside for a moment, the many, many things in Trump's taxes that are strongly suspicious or suggestive of illegal and immoral things... you are aware of the part of the story, right, where the IRS is literally pursuing him to this day due to him illegally claiming a $73 million rebate?
Literally, the US government, at this point in time, is chasing Trump for $73 million in tax illegalities. So your statement that there's nothing illegal or immoral seems flatly false.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
If it turns out to be true, would it be inappropriate if I yawned?
Joey enriched his family in a rather shocking way and no one seems to care.
Maybe you offer reason for me to care?
Yet another conspiracy theory in defense of (and echoing) the trumpster.
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
Which countries take care of their poor without taxes and how well do they do compared to western countries?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf we follow your argument to its logical conclusion then it is a sin to claim deductions, but you said earlier that it's not immoral for people to claim deductions. Your argument is not consistent.
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
Please answer the question I asked. Which countries don't rely on taxes to take care of the poor and how well do they do compared to western countries?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYour question is not relevant, because taxes are not charity.
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
I said taxes were how we take care of the poor and you said that statement was naive.
And you're still stuck with your contradiction implying that it is both immoral and not immoral to claim deductions.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt is naive. Taxes are the worst way imaginable to care for the poor. Government waste is staggering, and most programs seem almost intentionally designed to keep poor people poor (read about the "welfare trap" some time). Considering the amount of money lavished on the system, if government programs could win the war against poverty, then we should have been victorious decades ago. So, no, rich people taking deductions does not hurt poor people.
And you're still stuck with your contradiction implying that it is both immoral and not immoral to claim deductions.
Claiming that I oppose all deductions doesn't even qualify as a straw man. If I believed that I'd have to believe that taking deductions for actual donations to charity or church were immoral. Clearly I don't believe that.
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Originally posted by LiconaFan97 View Post
I don't know how to "win the war on poverty" and I don't know that it's possible even with 101% tax rates. That doesn't change the fact that taxes are how we take care of the poor in the western world. If there is a different system which is superior please share it and I will support it. Cutting taxes on the rich doesn't seem to have done any better than using taxes to take care of the poor.
Claiming that I oppose all deductions doesn't even qualify as a straw man. If I believed that I'd have to believe that taking deductions for actual donations to charity or church were immoral. Clearly I don't believe that.
The fact that you can't think of a better system to help the poor than the broken government entitlement programs is a rather sad statement on your part. You talk like someone who is very young with little life experience. I don't know if that's the case, but it's how you come across. And since you agree that the war on poverty doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not rich people pay as much in taxes as you apparently think they should, then it would seem there's nowhere else for this debate to go.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo you believe only some deductions are immoral. Hello special pleading.
The fact that you can't think of a better system to help the poor than the broken government entitlement programs is a rather sad statement on your part. You talk like someone who is very young with little life experience. I don't know if that's the case, but it's how you come across. And since you agree that the war on poverty doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not rich people pay as much in taxes as you apparently think they should, then it would seem there's nowhere else for this debate to go.
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