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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
You just said that the reference to homoeroticism (gayness) was a sly joke. Apparently, gayness is a joke to you.Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 09-29-2020, 01:00 PM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Well after reading a Proud Boy article I find a link that takes me to a site about acrylic nails and how to remove them. So perhaps the Proud Boys are actually proud to be gay after all! I wonder if they offer any tips on interior design. And I do hope they do not paint their toe nails the same colour as their finger nails, it's so last season!
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
How are the Proud Boys neo-fascist?
Core Values Of The Proud Boys
Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
Why do entrepreneurs need to be glorified?
The Anti Racial Guilt is interesting. That has distinct echoes of what Björn Höck declared at a Bier Hall in Dresden back in 2017 when he announced that Germany should make a “180-degree turn” from the tradition of remembering and atoning for the Nazi era”.
Furthermore what is "Maximum Freedom"? That ultimately leads to complete anarchy.
What is Anti-Political Correctness? The right to abuse and revile anyone with whom they do not agree? Oh no of course I also read that the Proud Boys want Boys to Boys and Girls to be Girls. In other words, male chauvinism. Women know your place etc.
What is “Minimal Government”? And who decides what minimal might be interpreted to be?
Nor can a group claim to be anti-racist if its founder can tell the NYT in 2003 that “I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.”
Neither can borders be closed completely. Or is this group advocating that no -one whatsoever should to be admitted to the USA for any reason?
I suspect what the Proud Boys really mean is they wish to prevent those with a different skin hue or a different cultural and/or religious belief from entering the country. The Proud Boys ought to remember how their forebears got into the USA.
From a Proud Boys web article apparently written by “The Elders”: "A Western Chauvinist is a proponent of Western Civilization, someone who supports a secular government whose legal code is informed by Judeo-Christian ethics and whose origins lie in the Greco-Roman tradition of the Republic."[...]
Well that is a nice little confection of ideas. The American republic was not founded on Graeco-Roman traditions. It was the product of the European Enlightenment. Nor was it founded on Judeo-Christian values. The FFs, or at least those who were most involved in establishing and creating the nation's founding documents and government, did not view America as an explicitly “Christian nation”.
I would also be very grateful if you, or one of your Proud Boy chums, could explain to me why the phrase “the Greco-Roman tradition” in that extract comes up as a link that takes me to this site https://pielsana.net/belleza/como-re...nas-acrilicas/ which is all about acrylic nails and how to remove them? Is there something the Proud Boys are not telling us all?
The article continues:
"When Gavin McInnes describes the tenets of the Proud Boys, he clearly defines Western Chauvinist as such: “it just means a nationalist, a patriot,” i.e. “the West is the best.” That has a distinct core of racism. If the west is the best it is obviously superior to other regions of the world and their cultures and beliefs.
As for Chauvinism Western or otherwise.
Chauvinism: zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory. biased devotion to any group, attitude, or cause: the denigration, disparagement, and patronisation of either sex based on the belief that one sex is inferior to the other and thus deserving of less than equal treatment or benefit.
Hmm... Sieg Heil!
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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Well after reading a Proud Boy article I find a link that takes me to a site about acrylic nails and how to remove them. So perhaps the Proud Boys are actually proud to be gay after all! I wonder if they offer any tips on interior design. And I do hope they do not paint their toe nails the same colour as their finger nails, it's so last season!
Though apparently being gay is a joke to you. Its nice you think it's insulting to be gay.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
What on earth is "Venerating the housewife"? Kinder Küche Kirche?
Why do entrepreneurs need to be glorified?
The Anti Racial Guilt is interesting. That has distinct echoes of what Björn Höck declared at a Bier Hall in Dresden back in 2017 when he announced that Germany should make a “180-degree turn” from the tradition of remembering and atoning for the Nazi era”.
Furthermore what is "Maximum Freedom"? That ultimately leads to complete anarchy.
What is Anti-Political Correctness? The right to abuse and revile anyone with whom they do not agree? Oh no of course I also read that the Proud Boys want Boys to Boys and Girls to be Girls. In other words, male chauvinism. Women know your place etc.
What is “Minimal Government”? And who decides what minimal might be interpreted to be?
Nor can a group claim to be anti-racist if its founder can tell the NYT in 2003 that “I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.”
Neither can borders be closed completely
. Or is this group advocating that no -one whatsoever should to be admitted to the USA for any reason?
I suspect what the Proud Boys really mean is they wish to prevent those with a different skin hue or a different cultural and/or religious belief from entering the country. The Proud Boys ought to remember how their forebears got into the USA.
Well that is a nice little confection of ideas. The American republic was not founded on Graeco-Roman traditions. It was the product of the European Enlightenment. Nor was it founded on Judeo-Christian values. The FFs, or at least those who were most involved in establishing and creating the nation's founding documents and government, did not view America as an explicitly “Christian nation”.
And wrong:https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/
Both Christianity and Graeco-Roman traditions had a profound influence on the founding of this nation.
"When Gavin McInnes describes the tenets of the Proud Boys, he clearly defines Western Chauvinist as such: “it just means a nationalist, a patriot,” i.e. “the West is the best.” That has a distinct core of racism. If the west is the best it is obviously superior to other regions of the world and their cultures and beliefs.
Of course the West is superior. That is not fascist, it is a fact. Where would you rather live? China? And it has nothing to do with race, but ideology.
As for Chauvinism Western or otherwise.
Chauvinism: zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory. biased devotion to any group, attitude, or cause: the denigration, disparagement, and patronisation of either sex based on the belief that one sex is inferior to the other and thus deserving of less than equal treatment or benefit.
Hmm... Sieg Heil!
.Last edited by seer; 09-29-2020, 01:29 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Well, that or ads are triggered by your own search history.....
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostThough apparently being gay is a joke to you. Its nice you think it's insulting to be gay.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Posthttps://officialproudboys.com/uncate...rn-chauvinist/
I know plenty of gay men who laugh at the stereotypes that abound about them, and some, on occasion, actively play up to those stereotypes purely for fun.
If you mock a political opponent for being Obese, it means you think it's insulting to be fat.
If you mock a political opponent for their looks, it means you think less of those who don't uphold beauty standards.
If you mock a political opponent for homoerotic undertones, it means you think less of those who are gay.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
It's an acknowledged fact that those who use a specific group as an insult feel that those used as the insult are "lesser".
If you mock a political opponent for being Obese, it means you think it's insulting to be fat.
If you mock a political opponent for their looks, it means you think less of those who don't uphold beauty standards.
If you mock a political opponent for homoerotic undertones, it means you think less of those who are gay.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNothing fascist here.
Originally posted by seer View PostSo if someone is proud to be Latino or black that makes them racist?
Originally posted by seer View PostYou do know that there are black Proud Boys, correct?
Originally posted by seer View Post
The USA has no Lictors carrying the fasces of the Consuls or the Praetors, does it? Does the USA elect annually two magistrates and other subsidiary magistrates? Does it have Tribunes to protect the rights of the Plebians against the Patricians?
Originally posted by seer View PostBoth Christianity and Graeco-Roman traditions had a profound influence on the founding of this nation.
Originally posted by seer View PostOf course the West is superior. That is not fascist, it is a fact.
However, cultural imperialism is not an exclusively western phenomenon.
Originally posted by seer View PostThe term Western Chauvinism was defined for you and has nothing to do with the above. None of this is fascist. And Sieg Heil is a motto from your country and not ours.
As of 2018 the FBI classified the Proud Boys as an “extremist group”.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by seer View Post
This is not surprising considering the persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany. Hypatia is just following their example."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
It's an acknowledged fact
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Postthat those who use a specific group as an insult feel that those used as the insult are "lesser".
Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
If you mock a political opponent for being Obese, it means you think it's insulting to be fat.
If you mock a political opponent for their looks, it means you think less of those who don't uphold beauty standards.
If you mock a political opponent for homoerotic undertones, it means you think less of those who are gay.
I would also note that humour can be quite cruel. Look back to Greek comedy for examples."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I suppose you do know that Ernst Röhm and various other members of the SA were homosexuals.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHowever, cultural imperialism is not an exclusively western phenomenon.
It was not a motto. Appeals to overt nationalism and to the belief that “we” are better/greater/superior to “them”, that “our “way of life is superior to “theirs”, that “our cultural heritage” is superior to “theirs”, the veneration of motherhood/home-makers to force/keep women in a traditional sphere of life, the desire to keep the nation pure and remove/keep out the “other” are all tropes with a very ugly history i.e. fascism.
As of 2018 the FBI classified the Proud Boys as an “extremist group”.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIs it? Where?
. On every single occasion? Where?
That sounds dreadfully PC with a distinct hint of the snowflake. I do not think seer would approve. The Proud Boys [a group he clearly admires] are openly Anti Political Correctness.
I would also note that humour can be quite cruel. Look back to Greek comedy for examples.
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