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Why is the nationalist right hallucinating a ‘communist enemy’?

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  • #91
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Your thread is an obvious attempt to draw a response from posters here, and I gave you what you wanted. So stop whining.
    You are not obliged to follow the herd!
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • #92
      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

      How is that relevant to their "hallucinating a ‘communist enemy’"?

      You obviously included that random fact for a reason, and since it does not appear to be relevant to your question, it stands to reason you used it to mock them, hence, you view it as an insult.
      It was a remark referencing the news that the Proud Boys intended to visit Portland.

      Of course I mock pretentious and posturing groups like that with their prejudices, their intolerance [often displayed in physical aggression and/or violence] towards anything with which they do not agree. I also mock their ridiculous macho behaviours that include a tendency to dress up in combat fatigues and flaunt their mighty weapons [we should not ignore the Freudian link between guns and male potency] .

      Yet among such groups [note it is Proud Boys not Proud Boys and Girls] there is likely to be a distinct undercurrent of homo-eroticism and homo-sociality because, as previously noted, these feature among many single sex organisations. Hence the irony that men who play to such stereotypical red-blooded hetero male behaviours are often unconsciously experiencing feelings that they would be appalled to consciously recognise.

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post


        It was a remark referencing the news that the Proud Boys intended to visit Portland.

        Of course I mock pretentious and posturing groups like that with their prejudices, their intolerance [often displayed in physical aggression and/or violence] towards anything with which they do not agree. I also mock their ridiculous macho behaviours that include a tendency to dress up in combat fatigues and flaunt their mighty weapons [we should not ignore the Freudian link between guns and male potency] .

        Yet among such groups [note it is Proud Boys not Proud Boys and Girls] there is likely to be a distinct undercurrent of homo-eroticism and homo-sociality because, as previously noted, these feature among many single sex organisations. Hence the irony that men who play to such stereotypical red-blooded hetero male behaviours are often unconsciously experiencing feelings that they would be appalled to consciously recognise.
        So, you were using it as an insult. You realize that using it as an insult demonstrates that you feel that gayness is "lesser", right?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          The hallucinatory world of anticommunism-without-communism is dangerous and violent. Its partisans believe they face an existential threat, which in principle licenses almost any level of violence. The state, as historian Ellen Schrecker points out, has been the teeth of most anti-communist networks. But it has often been bolstered by private militias, whether they be Minutemen, Klans, squadristi, the Sturmabteilung or Brazil’s Green Shirts. That is the significance of the eruptions of militia violence in the US, the hate mobs in India, and the Green Shirt revivalists in Brazil. When these people start to see red, blood flows in the streets.[/I]


          Such attitudes are nothing short of fascism towards anything that is "other", with of course the perpetual and underlying anti-Semitic trope.
          So when the left is constantly calling Trump and his supporters fascists and burn down buildings and loot that too is not dangerous and violent?

          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #95
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            So when the left is constantly calling Trump and his supporters fascists and burn down buildings and loot that too is not dangerous and violent?
            Is this actually going on all over the USA? Is every single liberal/progressive/left wing thinker calling Trump and his supporters fascists? Or is this belief that such things are omnipresent throughout the USA being pedalled by branches of the media?

            I have family in California. Their greatest worry is forest fires not rampaging hordes of protesters. I imagine one can still go shopping in New York without being accosted by violent mobs smashing up shops and torching public buildings and I daresay one can enjoy a hike in some of the beautiful countryside trails to be found in Oregon without encountering gangs of violent citizens.


            Umberto Eco described what he termed Ur-Fascism [or Eternal Fascism] and remarked that “It would be so much easier, for us, if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, “I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Black Shirts to parade again in the Italian squares.” Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises.

            And that is the most worrying prospect.

            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              Is this actually going on all over the USA? Is every single liberal/progressive/left wing thinker calling Trump and his supporters fascists? Or is this belief that such things are omnipresent throughout the USA being pedalled by branches of the media?
              Is every single right winger calling all leftists Communists? The fact is you have a double standard. The vast majority of violence being done in this country today is done by the left, not the right.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #97
                Considering Socialism is a definite liberal platform that has been gaining support of the Democratic party in recent years (Sanders, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, etc) why is it surprising that the GOP points that out?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  So, you were using it as an insult. You realize that using it as an insult demonstrates that you feel that gayness is "lesser", right?
                  Why do you consider referencing an acknowledged aspect of single sex groups to be an insult?

                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    Is every single right winger calling all leftists Communists? The fact is you have a double standard. The vast majority of violence being done in this country today is done by the left, not the right.
                    I asked you a question. You have yet to answer it.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      Why do you consider referencing an acknowledged aspect of single sex groups to be an insult?
                      You admitted mocking them. There was no relevance to that "acknowledgement" to your overall topic. Hence, you used it as an insult. I'm not the one doing the insulting, that would be you.

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                      • Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                        You admitted mocking them.
                        I mock the ridiculous posturing of such groups with their combat fatigues and the prominent display of their mighty weapons.


                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          I asked you a question. You have yet to answer it.
                          Are you joking? You are a complete hypocrite, how many times have I asked you what law of logic I violate by believing in a spiritual realm without a response from you.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post

                            Are you joking? You are a complete hypocrite, how many times have I asked you what law of logic I violate by believing in a spiritual realm without a response from you.
                            We are not discussing logic at this point and when you raised the question in the past, I gave you my reply,
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              I mock the ridiculous posturing of such groups with their combat fatigues and the prominent display of their mighty weapons.

                              And you admitted to doing that when pressed for WHY you included your "acknowledged fact". So if you are mocking a group for having hidden homoerotic undertones, then you find such things lesser and insulting.

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                              • Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                                And you admitted to doing that when pressed
                                I had no idea you were pressing me.

                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                                for WHY you included your "acknowledged fact". So if you are mocking a group for having hidden homoerotic undertones, then you find such things lesser and insulting.
                                As to the rest of your post that is your inference and nothing else.

                                However, I do recall an individual on another site who had an unfortunate tendency to read exactly what s/he wished to into my replies.

                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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