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  • The fruits of the Republican spirit

    Hatred, anger, outrage, war-mongering, racism, fear, judgementalism, authoritarianism, hypocrisy, condemnation, homophobia, nationalism, xenophobia, islamophobia, conspiracy theorism, adulation the wealthy, a hatred of the poor, and a complete lack of empathy and compassion, appear to me to be the major fruits of the Republican spirit.

    I think the single thing that most horrifies me about Republicanism in the US, in general, is just how often I see these qualities in its adherents. In the person of Donald Trump, we've seen some of these exemplified more heavily than others, but on many of them he's actually better than the average Republican. But in general, 5 minutes of watching Fox News or Rush Limbaugh is enough to get a dangerously unhealthy dose of many of the rest of them.

    "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."

    The political groups I think of when I read those words are certainly not republicans. They're the hippies with their "peace" signs, the democrats asking for civil rights for all, Obama with his measured words and desire to negotiate peace rather than start wars, the democratic socialists seeking healthcare for all. And it's the liberals and leftists who I consistently see show genuine concern for everyone, a love of all, a sincere desire for peace, tolerance of others different to them, kindness towards all, gentleness rather than authoritarianism when seeking compromise. That's not at all to say every democrat and democratic supporter are 100% good - far from it. But the good qualities are definitely visible often in the adherents.

    Whereas, the fruits of the Republican spirit are so often there to see in the adherents of Republicanism. And they terrify me. Regularly. Are there any redeeming qualities in Republicanism, any virtues that it promotes in its adherents? Offhand, I can't think of a single virtue that I've seen regularly promoted.

    I leave you with this week's inspiring quote:
    Robert Jeffress, pastor at 12,000-member First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas

    "I was debating an evangelical professor on NPR, and this professor said, ‘Pastor, don’t you want a candidate who embodies the teaching of Jesus and would govern this country according to the principles found in the Sermon on the Mount?’” Jeffress said. “I said, ‘Heck no.’ I would run from that candidate as far as possible... Government is to be a strongman to protect its citizens against evildoers. When I’m looking for somebody who’s going to deal with ISIS and exterminate ISIS, I don’t care about that candidate’s tone or vocabulary, I want the meanest, toughest, son of a you-know-what I can find — and I believe that’s biblical."
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

  • #2
    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    Hatred, anger, outrage, war-mongering, racism, fear, judgementalism, authoritarianism, hypocrisy, condemnation, homophobia, nationalism, xenophobia, islamophobia, conspiracy theorism, adulation the wealthy, a hatred of the poor, and a complete lack of empathy and compassion blah blah blah blah blah
    You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Hatred, anger, outrage, war-mongering, racism, fear, judgementalism, authoritarianism, hypocrisy, condemnation, homophobia, nationalism, xenophobia, islamophobia, conspiracy theorism, adulation the wealthy, a hatred of the poor, and a complete lack of empathy and compassion, appear to me to be the major fruits of the Republican spirit.
      Well, of course you see it that way, because you're filled with hatred, anger, outrage, judgementalism, hypocrisy, condemnation..... To a large extent, you're projecting.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Well, of course you see it that way, because you're filled with hatred, anger, outrage, judgementalism, hypocrisy, condemnation..... To a large extent, you're projecting.

        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Hatred, anger, outrage, war-mongering, racism, fear, judgementalism, authoritarianism, hypocrisy, condemnation, homophobia, nationalism, xenophobia, islamophobia, conspiracy theorism, adulation the wealthy, a hatred of the poor, and a complete lack of empathy and compassion, appear to me to be the major fruits of the Republican spirit.

          I think the single thing that most horrifies me about Republicanism in the US, in general, is just how often I see these qualities in its adherents. In the person of Donald Trump, we've seen some of these exemplified more heavily than others, but on many of them he's actually better than the average Republican. But in general, 5 minutes of watching Fox News or Rush Limbaugh is enough to get a dangerously unhealthy dose of many of the rest of them.

          "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."

          The political groups I think of when I read those words are certainly not republicans. They're the hippies with their "peace" signs, the democrats asking for civil rights for all, Obama with his measured words and desire to negotiate peace rather than start wars, the democratic socialists seeking healthcare for all. And it's the liberals and leftists who I consistently see show genuine concern for everyone, a love of all, a sincere desire for peace, tolerance of others different to them, kindness towards all, gentleness rather than authoritarianism when seeking compromise. That's not at all to say every democrat and democratic supporter are 100% good - far from it. But the good qualities are definitely visible often in the adherents.

          Whereas, the fruits of the Republican spirit are so often there to see in the adherents of Republicanism. And they terrify me. Regularly. Are there any redeeming qualities in Republicanism, any virtues that it promotes in its adherents? Offhand, I can't think of a single virtue that I've seen regularly promoted.

          I leave you with this week's inspiring quote:
          Robert Jeffress, pastor at 12,000-member First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas

          "I was debating an evangelical professor on NPR, and this professor said, ‘Pastor, don’t you want a candidate who embodies the teaching of Jesus and would govern this country according to the principles found in the Sermon on the Mount?’” Jeffress said. “I said, ‘Heck no.’ I would run from that candidate as far as possible... Government is to be a strongman to protect its citizens against evildoers. When I’m looking for somebody who’s going to deal with ISIS and exterminate ISIS, I don’t care about that candidate’s tone or vocabulary, I want the meanest, toughest, son of a you-know-what I can find — and I believe that’s biblical."
          You have to wonder then why it's people on the left that are doing the beating and killing in relation to their political views

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seanD View Post
            You have to wonder then why it's people on the left that are doing the beating and killing in relation to their political views
            The tolerant left?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Starlight, you forgot murdering, er aborting toddlers.

              oh wait. never mind.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                The tolerant left?
                Yeah, them what demands tolerance, but whoops up on everybody else.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  While Starlight can sometimes have some valid points to be made regarding Christianity, essentially every post he makes about American politics makes me roll my eyes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                    While Starlight can sometimes have some valid points to be made regarding Christianity, essentially every post he makes about American politics makes me roll my eyes.
                    Okay, then you should have no trouble naming a virtue for me, and showing how the Republican movement promotes the growth of that virtue in the character of its adherents.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      SL, you're confusing rhetoric with action. Yes, I would agree that liberals are really good at feigning humanitarianism, but not at all in their actions. For example, Obama is real good at feigning that he isn't a warmonger, even got a Peace Prize (LOL), but he's actually more of a warmonger than even his predecessors. Liberals are ardent crusaders of free expression and tolerance, until you disagree with them, then they go on the rabid attack. Liberals are really good fakers, I would definitely agree.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        SL, you're confusing rhetoric with action. Yes, I would agree that liberals are really good at feigning humanitarianism, but not at all in their actions. For example, Obama is real good at feigning that he isn't a warmonger, even got a Peace Prize (LOL), but he's actually more of a warmonger than even his predecessors. Liberals are ardent crusaders of free expression and tolerance, until you disagree with them, then they go on the rabid attack. Liberals are really good fakers, I would definitely agree.
                        More of a warmonger? We have less boots on the ground that we did under Bush and are actively trying to get the people in those regions to do more of the actual fighting. Other than that we're pretty much doing the same thing we were doing under bush. This is either a wash or less war depending on what one is focusing on.

                        Also, you still haven't said anything positives about Republicans so....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                          More of a warmonger? We have less boots on the ground that we did under Bush and are actively trying to get the people in those regions to do more of the actual fighting. Other than that we're pretty much doing the same thing we were doing under bush. This is either a wash or less war depending on what one is focusing on.
                          I won't even respond because you and I know full well that that's bullcrap lol. So does SL.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seanD View Post
                            SL, you're confusing rhetoric with action.
                            Well I'm talking about the character traits that we see present in the adherents. Each side, of course, argues that it's political policies are the best policies. But setting those endless arguments aside, and concentrating on the kinds of character traits that holding those political views appears to inspire in the adherents of those political views - ie the fruits of the spirit, as it were... is quite interesting.

                            Obama is real good at feigning that he isn't a warmonger, even got a Peace Prize (LOL), but he's actually more of a warmonger than even his predecessors.
                            I suspect he probably truly thinks of himself as not a warmonger, and the advice he's getting from his generals and advisors on a daily basis is "more war!" and that he regularly pushes for as much peace as he can in the face of that. I totally grant that the end results of this process, have not been consistent with Obama's tone and stated goals, and I personally think he should stand trial for war crimes. But I suspect it's something that's happening in spite of him and not because of him.

                            But when we turn to look at the average democrat, to see what the fruits of the democratic spirit are, we don't find them agitating for more war. The average democratic voter, talkshow host, or activist, almost always wants peace not war.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              I won't even respond because you and I know full well that that's bullcrap lol. So does SL.
                              Well, no, its not. But thanks for the concession of defeat?

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