GOOD THING We Did That Deal With Iran!

[Cow Poke]

GOOD THING We Did That Deal With Iran, or they might be testing ballistic missiles or something!!!!

Defiant Iran says it will continue ballistic missile tests

Iran said Saturday it would continue its ballistic missile program after UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said the missile tests were not in the spirit of the country’s landmark nuclear deal with world powers.

In comments published on Iran’s foreign ministry website Saturday, spokesman Bahram Ghasemi said that “Iran will strongly continue its missile program based on its own defense and national security calculations.”

He said that Iran’s missile program was not linked to the nuclear deal and did not conflict with the UN Security Council resolution endorsing the agreement.

On Friday Tehran dismissed Ban’s report as biased and urged him to produce “a fair and realistic report.”

Reuters on Friday quoted an Iranian Foreign Ministry source as telling Iran’s semi-official Tasnim news agency that, “I suggest that Mr. Ban give a fair report … in which he also mentions America is not fulfilling its commitments under the deal.”

Are there any Twebbers still defending this mess?

[firstfloor]

GOOD THING We Did That Deal With Iran, or they might be testing ballistic missiles or something!!!!

Are there any Twebbers still defending this mess?

I’ll take the case. I don’t know what it is but there’s a better than even chance that you’re wrong about this, more or less, based on past performance.

[Starlight]

Are there any Twebbers still defending this mess?

The deal was one of the best deals for the West ever obtained in the history of international politics. Iran agreed to everything that the West wanted, and it averted the US from getting involved in yet another perpetual war in the Middle East. And now, if the Iranians ever do anything bad, we can threaten them with sanctions again. Previously when we were already using sanctions, we had very little left to threaten them with in order to rein in bad behavior on their part.

Iran is, as a country, moving slowly down a path towards positive change and liberalization. People in Iran are split approximately equally between three groups: Those wanting no change, those wanting gradual Westernization, and those wanting rapid Westernization. It's reasonable to expect that Iran will very gradually become more and more Westernized over the next 20-40 years. It's also reasonable to expect that some of the more conservative factions in Iran will try to be a little bit symbolically belligerent in the short term for political purposes, because they need to try and look strong in front of their people.

[Cow Poke]

I’ll take the case. I don’t know what it is but there’s a better than even chance that you’re wrong about this, more or less, based on past performance.

You such a funny funny guy!

[Cow Poke]

The deal was one of the best deals for the West ever obtained in the history of international politics.

wow

Iran agreed to everything that the West wanted...

Yeah, then they had a good hearty laugh at the foolishness of Barak and Kerry, and went about doing whatever they durn well please....

[JimL]

You such a funny funny guy!

Not funny at all, he happens to be right. A ban on missile testing is not in the agreement. Its another of those phoney issues that those opposed to the deal use to try and undermine it.

[Cow Poke]

Not funny at all,

Yeah, he actually is. And that's unusual, cause liberals usually lack even a hint of a sense of humor.

he happens to be right. A ban on missile testing is not in the agreement.

Well, not so fast....
But even if that were true, neither was taking our sailors hostage, filming them, mocking them, making fools out of Kerry and Obama .... it just goes to character.

Its another of those phoney issues that those opposed to the deal use to try and undermine it.

You might want to explain that to Mr. Kerry....

Source: ForeignPolicyInitiative

Secretary of State John Kerry’s recent call for a “new arrangement” with Tehran to curb its ballistic missile program constitutes an admission that the U.N. resolution tied to the July 2015 nuclear deal has failed to stem Iran’s misbehavior. Rather than offer new concessions if Iran halts its missile launches, the White House should impose stronger economic sanctions aimed at compelling Iran’s compliance with longstanding international demands.

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[JimL]

Yeah, he actually is. And that's unusual, cause liberals usually lack even a hint of a sense of humor.



Well, not so fast....
But even if that were true, neither was taking our sailors hostage, filming them, mocking them, making fools out of Kerry and Obama .... it just goes to character.



You might want to explain that to Mr. Kerry....

Source: ForeignPolicyInitiative

Secretary of State John Kerry’s recent call for a “new arrangement” with Tehran to curb its ballistic missile program constitutes an admission that the U.N. resolution tied to the July 2015 nuclear deal has failed to stem Iran’s misbehavior. Rather than offer new concessions if Iran halts its missile launches, the White House should impose stronger economic sanctions aimed at compelling Iran’s compliance with longstanding international demands.

© Copyright Original Source

Let me see now, hmmm, a new arrangement, wouldn't that mean that it wasn't in the old arrangement?

[Mountain Man]

GOOD THING We Did That Deal With Iran, or they might be testing ballistic missiles or something!!!!

Oh, you thought the deal was supposed to stop Iran? Of course not. It has been Obama's policy since day one to empower terrorist networks and nations.

[Mountain Man]

Yeah, then they had a good hearty laugh at the foolishness of Barak and Kerry, and went about doing whatever they durn well please....

That's because the "deal" (it's actually a treaty) has such ridiculous oversight restrictions that it's effectively unenforceable.

[Cow Poke]

Let me see now, hmmm, a new arrangement, wouldn't that mean that it wasn't in the old arrangement?

You overlooked the part that said "the U.N. resolution tied to the July 2015 nuclear deal".

[firstfloor]

"[Neither Iran’s economic challenges nor the grievances of its leadership are “fraying” the nuclear accord; in fact, they only highlight its underlying logic. While the deal’s scope was finite—it was not a wholesale rapprochement or rehabilitation—many of its supporters argued that its logic would prove self-reinforcing. Iran’s gradual reintegration into the global economy would bolster the case among its leadership for a broader moderation of its domestic and foreign policies precisely in order to boost their benefits.

Tehran’s dissatisfaction with the payout to date suggests this formula is working. A little bit of sanctions relief has whetted the entrepreneurial appetites of the clerical state. Despite official invocations proclaiming a “resistance economy,” the trickle of new trade and investment from Europe and Asia into Iran since the deal was signed has only intensified pressure for more—and for more tangible dissemination of its benefits among the Iranian population. In other words, it is the success of the nuclear deal—rather than its shortcomings—that is driving the complaints that have emanated from Iran. ]"

[JimL]

Oh, you thought the deal was supposed to stop Iran? Of course not. It has been Obama's policy since day one to empower terrorist networks and nations.

Not sure why I bother, you, I am afraid, are a lost cause MM. Obama ordered the assasination of Osama Bin Laden and many other leaders of the terrorist organizations. You my friend are a real tool.

[JimL]

You overlooked the part that said "the U.N. resolution tied to the July 2015 nuclear deal".

You obviously never read the U.N resolution. There is no ban on Iran's domestic missile activity, there is only a ban on their aquisition of sensitive missile technology.

[Cow Poke]

You obviously never read the U.N resolution. There is no ban on Iran's domestic missile activity, there is only a ban on their aquisition of sensitive missile technology.

"domestic missile activity"?

From the UN resolution 2231 (2015) Paragraph 3 of Annex B

Iran is called upon not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology, until the date eight years after the JCPOA Adoption Day or until the date on which the IAEA submits a report confirming the Broader Conclusion, whichever is earlier.

Jim, you really really should stick to things you actually know something about.


ETA: Jim - do you understand what "ballistic missiles" are?